Greater opportunities you say

you depend on your own capital under capitalism to demonstrate your innovation, under socialism you don't need your own capital, the state or the people will accommodate you with industrial power and information

and if your business fails, you don't carry a huge load of debt you can't pay off

hell you wouldnt even have a business to begin with

not business really, new ideas and innovation

at most you would own a very small business under socialism

Look. I think either system would work if people would do their jobs; it's just that they wont, and capitalism is more tolerant of deviants.

seems pretty limited to me

what if I want a big business

or a relatively small business. or however size I desire

you could of you want, but you cannot employ other people to work under you or extract surplus value from them

or however size I want to work for

the problem is that you cannot sustain it

you have to pay them according to SNLT if you hire people.

One day at a time.

okay, so its limiting opportunity. Simple as that

if theres only 2 ways to make profit, and u cut off literally half the options

no it isn't, you would have more opportunities under socialism because the state will accomldats you, you would need your own capital to drive your business and sometimes this fails and you have a load of debt

then yeh thats limiting opportunity nonetheless lol

@TheBestGangster that's right, surplus value is exploitation

Also fun will be watching Maxine Waters running the finance committee.

maxine waters is a white hating retard really

exploitation? labor is voluntary, they dont got to work for you

they signed up for it and they know what they're getting

Labour is voluntary, but capitalists still extract surplus value from you, which is still exploitation nonetheless because you arent being paid the full fruits of your labour

hell if they wanted to be on the other side, they got the opportunity to

it dosent matter if its voluntary or not, it's exploitation nonetheless

Waters is a socialist in a James Brown wig doing an impersonation of a Sothern Baptists preacher.

waters should be executed with other liberals

Sure, but you know some people are fine with being paid for certain tasks. Some others want better paying jobs, easier work, better jobs, hell even start their business. Capitalism gives you the opportunity to do what you desire, call it exploitation, people need and want money and they get what they want. They know what they get, they know it's generating profit so they can pay off more people that know what they are getting

I'd draw up short of execution. But put out t pasture? Sure.

That profit allows expansion, more jobs, more opportunity

really a branch, and I find that an amazing thing

and hey if you dont want to work, you dont get paid for the work you dont do

now thats fair

it dosent matter how the profit is used for, that profit comes from exploiting labour power anyway, as I stated earlier you would have more opportunities under socialism. sometimes you would have no choice, because your a wage labourer, and if you don't work you die, there's no wage labour in socialism

this wage labour has a monopoly on workers

when there's no other option, say in sweatshops

So, OK. but parse this fact: LABOR IS VOLUNTARY.

Well hey, you're a wage laborer and this is what you prepared for. It's quite simple really, harder you work the better outcome you get. You always had the opportunity to approach a different future and pathway for your future job. People who work hard in college, put in time searching, have good academics and invest their money and time smartly will become more successful than those that dont

Its fair, its simple, its good