when you have this dog-eat-dog attitude to chase for profits obviously people are going to be greedy

@Fere Nemo no, it's a fallacious argument

Read Peter kropotkin

***reads book***

nope

***comes back a week later***

he clearly shows how humans can work together for the general good without the idea of a profit motive, this is clearly classed by him

sounds like a nice idea, on paper lol

***o wait, where have I seen this before***

when you cultivate people to contribute idea to work for the general good, people will be more inclined to be less inclined to be bother with profit and the betterment of society, that isn't the case today because we have this dog-eat-dog nature

Humians MIGHT work togather for the common good, but they MIGHT just as well camair rouge. Historically, it favors camair rouge.

no, it depends on societal norms and behaviour, if you have that behaviour instilled in you your much less likely

it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of how and when

but in a sense it does lower opportunity

Sure. but I'll roll my dice for capitalism.

admit or not, it does

no, you would have greater opportunities under socialism lol

its on you whether you say it matters

Greater opportunities you say

you depend on your own capital under capitalism to demonstrate your innovation, under socialism you don't need your own capital, the state or the people will accommodate you with industrial power and information

and if your business fails, you don't carry a huge load of debt you can't pay off

hell you wouldnt even have a business to begin with

not business really, new ideas and innovation

at most you would own a very small business under socialism

Look. I think either system would work if people would do their jobs; it's just that they wont, and capitalism is more tolerant of deviants.

seems pretty limited to me

what if I want a big business

or a relatively small business. or however size I desire

you could of you want, but you cannot employ other people to work under you or extract surplus value from them

or however size I want to work for

the problem is that you cannot sustain it

you have to pay them according to SNLT if you hire people.

One day at a time.

okay, so its limiting opportunity. Simple as that

if theres only 2 ways to make profit, and u cut off literally half the options

no it isn't, you would have more opportunities under socialism because the state will accomldats you, you would need your own capital to drive your business and sometimes this fails and you have a load of debt

then yeh thats limiting opportunity nonetheless lol

@TheBestGangster that's right, surplus value is exploitation

Also fun will be watching Maxine Waters running the finance committee.

maxine waters is a white hating retard really

exploitation? labor is voluntary, they dont got to work for you