Message from @Fere Nemo

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2018-11-07 08:24:22 UTC  

you could of you want, but you cannot employ other people to work under you or extract surplus value from them

2018-11-07 08:24:24 UTC  

or however size I want to work for

2018-11-07 08:24:36 UTC  

the problem is that you cannot sustain it

2018-11-07 08:24:51 UTC  

you have to pay them according to SNLT if you hire people.

2018-11-07 08:25:03 UTC  

One day at a time.

2018-11-07 08:25:05 UTC  

okay, so its limiting opportunity. Simple as that

2018-11-07 08:25:33 UTC  

if theres only 2 ways to make profit, and u cut off literally half the options

2018-11-07 08:25:43 UTC  

no it isn't, you would have more opportunities under socialism because the state will accomldats you, you would need your own capital to drive your business and sometimes this fails and you have a load of debt

2018-11-07 08:25:46 UTC  

then yeh thats limiting opportunity nonetheless lol

2018-11-07 08:25:51 UTC  

@TheBestGangster that's right, surplus value is exploitation

2018-11-07 08:25:57 UTC  

Also fun will be watching Maxine Waters running the finance committee.

2018-11-07 08:26:11 UTC  

maxine waters is a white hating retard really

2018-11-07 08:26:13 UTC  

exploitation? labor is voluntary, they dont got to work for you

2018-11-07 08:26:23 UTC  

they signed up for it and they know what they're getting

2018-11-07 08:26:47 UTC  

Labour is voluntary, but capitalists still extract surplus value from you, which is still exploitation nonetheless because you arent being paid the full fruits of your labour

2018-11-07 08:26:54 UTC  

hell if they wanted to be on the other side, they got the opportunity to

2018-11-07 08:27:09 UTC  

it dosent matter if its voluntary or not, it's exploitation nonetheless

2018-11-07 08:28:32 UTC  

Waters is a socialist in a James Brown wig doing an impersonation of a Sothern Baptists preacher.

2018-11-07 08:28:47 UTC  

waters should be executed with other liberals

2018-11-07 08:29:36 UTC  

Sure, but you know some people are fine with being paid for certain tasks. Some others want better paying jobs, easier work, better jobs, hell even start their business. Capitalism gives you the opportunity to do what you desire, call it exploitation, people need and want money and they get what they want. They know what they get, they know it's generating profit so they can pay off more people that know what they are getting

2018-11-07 08:29:41 UTC  

I'd draw up short of execution. But put out t pasture? Sure.

2018-11-07 08:30:09 UTC  

That profit allows expansion, more jobs, more opportunity

2018-11-07 08:30:16 UTC  

really a branch, and I find that an amazing thing

2018-11-07 08:30:58 UTC  

and hey if you dont want to work, you dont get paid for the work you dont do

2018-11-07 08:31:02 UTC  

now thats fair

2018-11-07 08:31:06 UTC  

it dosent matter how the profit is used for, that profit comes from exploiting labour power anyway, as I stated earlier you would have more opportunities under socialism. sometimes you would have no choice, because your a wage labourer, and if you don't work you die, there's no wage labour in socialism

2018-11-07 08:31:15 UTC  

this wage labour has a monopoly on workers

2018-11-07 08:31:23 UTC  

when there's no other option, say in sweatshops

2018-11-07 08:32:26 UTC  

So, OK. but parse this fact: LABOR IS VOLUNTARY.

2018-11-07 08:33:26 UTC  

Well hey, you're a wage laborer and this is what you prepared for. It's quite simple really, harder you work the better outcome you get. You always had the opportunity to approach a different future and pathway for your future job. People who work hard in college, put in time searching, have good academics and invest their money and time smartly will become more successful than those that dont

2018-11-07 08:33:31 UTC  

Its fair, its simple, its good

2018-11-07 08:34:06 UTC  

Harder you work results in the amount you receive

2018-11-07 08:34:09 UTC  

A+

2018-11-07 08:34:17 UTC  

and the more rewarding the end result is, that's fair, that's capitalism

2018-11-07 08:34:29 UTC  

*than

2018-11-07 08:35:23 UTC  

***socialism on the other hand***

2018-11-07 08:35:28 UTC  

no it isn't, wage labour should be abolished, your literally depending your life with it, if your job gets offshored your discarded and ignored, and it isn't as simple as working harder and getting more profit, it would be a glorious society if we had that, but no, that is as equivalent as your argument about socialism being good on paper.

2018-11-07 08:35:39 UTC  

what happens when your job gets offshored?

2018-11-07 08:36:13 UTC  

your employmwnt and education and housing is guaranteed under socialism

2018-11-07 08:36:26 UTC  

your depending on a ceo and a bureaucratix elite for your wage

2018-11-07 08:36:38 UTC  

and if they ignore you, your a piece of discarded human rubbish.