no it isn't, you would have more opportunities under socialism because the state will accomldats you, you would need your own capital to drive your business and sometimes this fails and you have a load of debt

then yeh thats limiting opportunity nonetheless lol

@TheBestGangster that's right, surplus value is exploitation

Also fun will be watching Maxine Waters running the finance committee.

maxine waters is a white hating retard really

exploitation? labor is voluntary, they dont got to work for you

they signed up for it and they know what they're getting

Labour is voluntary, but capitalists still extract surplus value from you, which is still exploitation nonetheless because you arent being paid the full fruits of your labour

hell if they wanted to be on the other side, they got the opportunity to

it dosent matter if its voluntary or not, it's exploitation nonetheless

Waters is a socialist in a James Brown wig doing an impersonation of a Sothern Baptists preacher.

waters should be executed with other liberals

Sure, but you know some people are fine with being paid for certain tasks. Some others want better paying jobs, easier work, better jobs, hell even start their business. Capitalism gives you the opportunity to do what you desire, call it exploitation, people need and want money and they get what they want. They know what they get, they know it's generating profit so they can pay off more people that know what they are getting

I'd draw up short of execution. But put out t pasture? Sure.

That profit allows expansion, more jobs, more opportunity

really a branch, and I find that an amazing thing

and hey if you dont want to work, you dont get paid for the work you dont do

now thats fair

it dosent matter how the profit is used for, that profit comes from exploiting labour power anyway, as I stated earlier you would have more opportunities under socialism. sometimes you would have no choice, because your a wage labourer, and if you don't work you die, there's no wage labour in socialism

this wage labour has a monopoly on workers

when there's no other option, say in sweatshops

So, OK. but parse this fact: LABOR IS VOLUNTARY.

Well hey, you're a wage laborer and this is what you prepared for. It's quite simple really, harder you work the better outcome you get. You always had the opportunity to approach a different future and pathway for your future job. People who work hard in college, put in time searching, have good academics and invest their money and time smartly will become more successful than those that dont

Its fair, its simple, its good

Harder you work results in the amount you receive

A+

and the more rewarding the end result is, that's fair, that's capitalism

*than

***socialism on the other hand***

no it isn't, wage labour should be abolished, your literally depending your life with it, if your job gets offshored your discarded and ignored, and it isn't as simple as working harder and getting more profit, it would be a glorious society if we had that, but no, that is as equivalent as your argument about socialism being good on paper.

what happens when your job gets offshored?

your employmwnt and education and housing is guaranteed under socialism

your depending on a ceo and a bureaucratix elite for your wage

and if they ignore you, your a piece of discarded human rubbish.

In a way, this sets up Trump for a MORE defensible position in 2020.

trump supports automation lol

your life depends on wage labour

and if its profitable to offshore jobs, what happens?

Well you have the free will and opportunity to choose whether, 1. Go with the flow, continue and put your trust in this offshore job and trust it will be the better of your family. 2. Or have the free will to choose whether you want a different job, from a different company, or really anything from there. Usually something in a similar field, and it's your choice. The fact of the matter is, socialism as you state would not work in our reality

you won't have that under socialism, because your employment is guaranteed

Thus resulting in it being only good, on paper