Message from @Fere Nemo
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seems pretty limited to me
what if I want a big business
or a relatively small business. or however size I desire
you could of you want, but you cannot employ other people to work under you or extract surplus value from them
or however size I want to work for
the problem is that you cannot sustain it
you have to pay them according to SNLT if you hire people.
One day at a time.
okay, so its limiting opportunity. Simple as that
if theres only 2 ways to make profit, and u cut off literally half the options
no it isn't, you would have more opportunities under socialism because the state will accomldats you, you would need your own capital to drive your business and sometimes this fails and you have a load of debt
then yeh thats limiting opportunity nonetheless lol
@TheBestGangster that's right, surplus value is exploitation
Also fun will be watching Maxine Waters running the finance committee.
maxine waters is a white hating retard really
exploitation? labor is voluntary, they dont got to work for you
they signed up for it and they know what they're getting
Labour is voluntary, but capitalists still extract surplus value from you, which is still exploitation nonetheless because you arent being paid the full fruits of your labour
hell if they wanted to be on the other side, they got the opportunity to
it dosent matter if its voluntary or not, it's exploitation nonetheless
waters should be executed with other liberals
Sure, but you know some people are fine with being paid for certain tasks. Some others want better paying jobs, easier work, better jobs, hell even start their business. Capitalism gives you the opportunity to do what you desire, call it exploitation, people need and want money and they get what they want. They know what they get, they know it's generating profit so they can pay off more people that know what they are getting
I'd draw up short of execution. But put out t pasture? Sure.
That profit allows expansion, more jobs, more opportunity
really a branch, and I find that an amazing thing
and hey if you dont want to work, you dont get paid for the work you dont do
now thats fair
it dosent matter how the profit is used for, that profit comes from exploiting labour power anyway, as I stated earlier you would have more opportunities under socialism. sometimes you would have no choice, because your a wage labourer, and if you don't work you die, there's no wage labour in socialism
this wage labour has a monopoly on workers
when there's no other option, say in sweatshops
So, OK. but parse this fact: LABOR IS VOLUNTARY.
Well hey, you're a wage laborer and this is what you prepared for. It's quite simple really, harder you work the better outcome you get. You always had the opportunity to approach a different future and pathway for your future job. People who work hard in college, put in time searching, have good academics and invest their money and time smartly will become more successful than those that dont
Its fair, its simple, its good
Harder you work results in the amount you receive
A+
and the more rewarding the end result is, that's fair, that's capitalism
*than
***socialism on the other hand***
no it isn't, wage labour should be abolished, your literally depending your life with it, if your job gets offshored your discarded and ignored, and it isn't as simple as working harder and getting more profit, it would be a glorious society if we had that, but no, that is as equivalent as your argument about socialism being good on paper.
what happens when your job gets offshored?