yes

so they send it back to the house

asking for a wall addition

and they wont add it

so no agreement is reached

Why are they asking for a wall addition now though?

And why not 2 years ago

im sure there's some reason

Yeah?

im not an expert on american government

but im sure if they could've they would've

Because it *seems* like they’re doing it to see what they can get away with with a democratic house

They 100% could have

It would have been very easy

so you're saying

that the republicans intentionally shut down the govt just to see what would happen

when the dems control the house

Well, it’s a bit more complicated than that because of Trump

Because Republicans don’t necessarily want to lose their support back home right? And their supporters like Trump so they need to do what Trump wants right

So suddenly, Trump demands that a wall needs to be a part of the budget, which he didn’t do the first two years with the same intensity as he is now

He’s always wNted it but now it’s much more serious and constant messaging about it from him. Example: the recent speech he gave on cable

I mean I agree that they should've done it when we had full control

So setting aside why he suddenly needs it, it’s clear that he switched something where now it’s “necessary,” and now his supporters see that, so the senate thinks that too know

but I still think there's got to be some reason as to why they didn't

Well I can’t wait for this reason to come out haha

same

I mean you could be 100% right

it just doesn't seem logical

but if they weren't opposed to the wall then why are they so opposed now?

the democrats used to care about border security

now they don't

? Democrats are almost universally on the record demanding improved technology at the border. Drones, cameras, support for border patrol are all espoused by democrats

Reinforcing fences that work, too

The difference is now republicans think a wall is necessary for security, and there’s very mixed analysis on that

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/2019/01/15/republicans-spent-two-years-resisting-trumps-border-wall-what-changed/ in 2017, 69 out of 292 republicans in congress wanted the border wall, or put here, approved of Trump’s budget requests. Why do you that has changed?

Democrats are being vilified as anti-border security. That is untrue, unhelpful, and distracting from the strange 180 republican leaders have done on the border wall demand.

I just think you gotta think about why during 2 years of all republican everything, Trump never appeared on TV demanding a wall, and republican leaders weren’t interested. Now, suddenly they can’t initiate the budget process and it’s a requirement? It’s a hostage situation. The government, and all those workers (800,000 I think?) are being unpaid because of a republican demand they could have gotten done earlier. The goal is not to get the wall, the goal is to know that they can shut down the government every time they want something. Fuck that.

the israeli wall stopped 99.9% of crossings

the hungarian wall stopped 99.9% of crossings

how is it not a good thing

Do you know how big the Hungarian wall is?