I mean

Agreed visitor. I think a wall is stupid but if we can get some great things out of it that would be sick

Many illegal immigrants (if I recall correctly) come from visa overstays

yea

around 50%

or 27% if i remember correctly

Yeah a big chunk from Spain

Damn European Mexicans!

So they have documents but they become illegal when they don’t leave

Mhm

Which do you think would be a cheaper way to reduce the number of illegals: building, operating, and maintaining one of the biggest borders that exist between countries, or doing immigration reform to take care of visa overstays?

you realize if you do one it boosts the other

so you need both

They’re connected, but funded and operated differently. So we can focus on one

no

what im saying is

if you build a wall there will be more visa overstays

or if you fix the visa overstays

more crossings

Just have satellite lasers to vaporize any illegals crossing the border

What? These are different things. You’re confused, you have to get in legally to be a visa overstay. If you could do that, there’s no reason to come illegally. But you wouldn’t not come if you got a visa, and I’m not saying to reduce visa numbers, just visa overstay ability

thats literally my point

Lmao we need more lasers in general

But my point is that reducing visa overstays does not affect illegal immigration

Laser guns

They’re from Europe! They can’t get back illegally lmao

It would probably have *an* effect, but only a very *small* effect

Ok im probably just not saying what I mean correctly

True Visitor

Because visa overstayers and illegal border crossers tend to be very different people

true

Exactly. And one is cheaper to deal with

my point is just

if you make visa overstaying harder more people are likely to try it and just go for the border crossing

or if you make the crossing harder more people will go for the visa overstay

But they’re already in the states haha

And they can’t get visas if they’re crossing illegally lol

oh my fucking god

how do you not understand

They’re fundamentally different people dude

Almost by definition