Message from @Tophet
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If you don't care enough about life to be ok with abortion you should want the death penalty
It is the only logical follow through
there are other reasons to not support the death penalty for example if you give it to a suicide bomber then it doesn't make logical sense because they would've wanted to die anyways, giving the suicide bomber life in prison in this case is actually more of a punishment as they are humiliated by their failure to carry out their martyrdom.
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death penalty can actually be less cruel then life in prison depending on context.
That is the point! punishment for crimes are NOT meant to be cruel. They are penalties for the criminal and a reason not to do it for those considering crime!
Making punishments cruel is sadistic and unecessary
...im pretty sure thats illegal too
and it has been banned
cruel and unusual punishments
EXACTLY
actually this i formally referred to as retributive justice.
The aim is to make the criminal feel as much pain as they caused to the victims. say the suicide bomber kills people but doesn't die themselves.
if a suicide bomber goes for it im pretty sure even if he doesnt die from the blast he'll lose a ton of his limbs
but i get your point
so would it be more painful to give them a relatively painless lethal injection or for them to have to contemplate their action?
"The aim is to make the criminal feel as much pain as they caused to the victims" Actually, that is not the point of justice. That is the aim behind revenge. Justice is FAIR punishment fro crimes committed. And protecting society from further harm from the criminal.
@🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼 Pain is not the point
fair punishment is subjective retributive justice is just one example
isnt that what people did back when cruel and unusual punishments were normal
yup
but then people decided thats too much
and banned it in most statse
states*
now it's illegal to inflict unecessary pain for good reason
but that was only the physical aspect of it, this doesn't actually inflict any physical pain life in prision.
correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure theres a few statse that still allow it
what it does it makes the person have to contemplate the reality of their action and how it might have affected other people.
well maybe not allow it but are just not as strict as other states
So an argument against the death penalty is not that it is 'more cruel' infact one could argue that
It doesn't make the criminal think about their action for very long it's an 'easy way out'
hm
so what if a pro-choice person have that train of thought
therefore it contradicts your original statement
he does have a point
because there's nothing conflicting about a pro-choice person having that opinion.
so that's why i think it's a jump in logic
because it's a fallacy of composition it assumes pro-choice people are monolithic and have all the same thought process on two seperate issues.
well you guys have fun with this, ima head off cuz its 2 am
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You are missing the point