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I just made this poll in a few minutes with far better sense than whatever that was. It's still low-level and amateur but at least it isn't *that* mess.

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Pro-Choice? Disgusting

Don't even understand the concept. And if you are pro-choice then by the lack of value you put on life you are obligated to opt for the death penalty. Otherwise you are inconsistent.

that's a jump in logic tbh please explain that step by step

Uhm?

No

It is following the same logic

Except nearly all pro-choice advocates believe that a fetus isnt a human life so it isnt inconsistent with their worldview.

no i'm being honest
if you're pro choice then you must support the death penalty doesn't immediately sound like a logical follow-through.

If you don't care enough about life to be ok with abortion you should want the death penalty

It is the only logical follow through

there are other reasons to not support the death penalty for example if you give it to a suicide bomber then it doesn't make logical sense because they would've wanted to die anyways, giving the suicide bomber life in prison in this case is actually more of a punishment as they are humiliated by their failure to carry out their martyrdom.

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death penalty can actually be less cruel then life in prison depending on context.

That is the point! punishment for crimes are NOT meant to be cruel. They are penalties for the criminal and a reason not to do it for those considering crime!

Making punishments cruel is sadistic and unecessary

...im pretty sure thats illegal too

and it has been banned

what?@Tophet

cruel and unusual punishments

EXACTLY

actually this i formally referred to as retributive justice.
The aim is to make the criminal feel as much pain as they caused to the victims. say the suicide bomber kills people but doesn't die themselves.

if a suicide bomber goes for it im pretty sure even if he doesnt die from the blast he'll lose a ton of his limbs

but i get your point

so would it be more painful to give them a relatively painless lethal injection or for them to have to contemplate their action?

"The aim is to make the criminal feel as much pain as they caused to the victims" Actually, that is not the point of justice. That is the aim behind revenge. Justice is FAIR punishment fro crimes committed. And protecting society from further harm from the criminal.

@🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼 Pain is not the point

fair punishment is subjective retributive justice is just one example

isnt that what people did back when cruel and unusual punishments were normal

make them feel as much pain as they have caused

yup

but then people decided thats too much

and banned it in most statse

states*

now it's illegal to inflict unecessary pain for good reason

but that was only the physical aspect of it, this doesn't actually inflict any physical pain life in prision.

correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure theres a few statse that still allow it

what it does it makes the person have to contemplate the reality of their action and how it might have affected other people.