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death penalty can actually be less cruel then life in prison depending on context.

That is the point! punishment for crimes are NOT meant to be cruel. They are penalties for the criminal and a reason not to do it for those considering crime!

Making punishments cruel is sadistic and unecessary

...im pretty sure thats illegal too

and it has been banned

what?@Tophet

cruel and unusual punishments

EXACTLY

actually this i formally referred to as retributive justice.
The aim is to make the criminal feel as much pain as they caused to the victims. say the suicide bomber kills people but doesn't die themselves.

if a suicide bomber goes for it im pretty sure even if he doesnt die from the blast he'll lose a ton of his limbs

but i get your point

so would it be more painful to give them a relatively painless lethal injection or for them to have to contemplate their action?

"The aim is to make the criminal feel as much pain as they caused to the victims" Actually, that is not the point of justice. That is the aim behind revenge. Justice is FAIR punishment fro crimes committed. And protecting society from further harm from the criminal.

@🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼 Pain is not the point

fair punishment is subjective retributive justice is just one example

isnt that what people did back when cruel and unusual punishments were normal

make them feel as much pain as they have caused

yup

but then people decided thats too much

and banned it in most statse

states*

now it's illegal to inflict unecessary pain for good reason

but that was only the physical aspect of it, this doesn't actually inflict any physical pain life in prision.

correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure theres a few statse that still allow it

what it does it makes the person have to contemplate the reality of their action and how it might have affected other people.

well maybe not allow it but are just not as strict as other states

So an argument against the death penalty is not that it is 'more cruel' infact one could argue that
It doesn't make the criminal think about their action for very long it's an 'easy way out'

hm

so what if a pro-choice person have that train of thought

therefore it contradicts your original statement

he does have a point

because there's nothing conflicting about a pro-choice person having that opinion.

so that's why i think it's a jump in logic

because it's a fallacy of composition it assumes pro-choice people are monolithic and have all the same thought process on two seperate issues.

well you guys have fun with this, ima head off cuz its 2 am

gn

You are missing the point

@Tophet lol good night

maybe because i'm less interested in 'slandering' the opposing side and more interested in the 'debate' and 'logic' side of it.

it's more about being intellectually honest to me than just saying things that make the other side look 'bad'