But as I said this was due to a Ming general's defection.

okay thats fine, but the earlier wall failed at keeping out the mongols

and the ming wall was never used

As I said, the Song didn't even control the wall.

So the Mongols never had to fight against the wall.

I believe most of it was controlled by the Liao who were extremely weak and inconsequential.

Definitely not maintained by them.

Yeah i understand, the wall was used mainly as watchtowers to keep out raiders

it was never a fully connected wall

It was under the Ming.

If the Jurchens had tried to attack the wall during the Ming period they would have failed most likely.

But all of that is irrelevant, the Mexican border wall won't be used for the military.

It will be used to control immigrants.

And even pre-Ming the wall was very good at this, with traders.

Most people aren't going to be using boats. It isn't Cuba, where people are facing death.

Stories of cartel towns are greatly exaggerated. Not the norm at all.

Most people come here for a better life. If they were in fear for their lives they would seek asylum.

stories of illegal immigrants are greatly exagerated lol

But they don't do that.

I will have to do more research, i don't know how much manpower, resources and money the ming used to maintain the wall

People want to come here and don't care about being citizens, they just want to reap the benefits of living here. The fact that this is being pushed for acceptance and that the contrary is seen as "racist" is a fucking joke. It's a violation of our sovereignty.

People who come here illegally are just fucking over people who want to come here legally.

i don't belive the narritive that they are just coming here to "reap the benefits" i would love to see statistics on that instead of trump just telling stories. We should remove immigration quotas and increase the budget for background checkers, and kick out people with violent pasts

Multiculturalism is a failure. My parents were born in Hungary, and refused to speak Hungarian when I was growing up so I would know English and be successful. This is how things used to be.

When you discourage assimilation you invite people to rape your country.

well i cant post images here

Upload to imgur.

but immigration is way up and violent crimes are way down

you can look at the stats

Correlation does not equal causation, especially not in this case.

1) Because as I said most immigrants are innocent people looking for a better life and 2) They are a small portion of crimes any time at any point in history simply because they're a small portion of the population.

okay so we have a tiny portion of immigrants commiting crimes

thats unavoidable

Just because they're innocent doesn't mean they aren't selfish for breaking the law to the chagrin of people who come here legally and become good citizens.

It is illegal for a reason. We need strong borders. We're a country.

People should not be allowed to come in without being vetted. Saying they don't commit crimes is not reason to be against a border wall.

10% of Mexico's population has emigrated to the US.

So if we just make legal immigration easier, and they crossed legally, everything would be fine?

This is not a small problem.

*they all cross legally

Yes.