Message from @Leiro レイロ
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Ideologically, you want to lobotomize all people. You claim than nature is different from socialization. And it is, but humaness depends on it and the freedom of choice. You want to claim to change and educate all people into and idea and supress their nature and that's fine but if you believe that education will turn all people "good" then the system doesn't matter. All systems will work when all people are "good". You can't claim nature vs socialization argument when it has, in fact, been debunked and that an in-group preference is a measure. You don't know about the psychology of a hierarchy. Or maybe, in your case, you think it can be subverted by "education".
@Arkaboo oi
we're debating the same thing in <#418667927169138688>
you want to help me there?
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No, are people born racists and bigots? Obviously not, there's a clear difference between human nature and human behaviour
sorry, I'm not trying to engage here, to be honest. I don't think it's productive
Yes, they are
It's been proven in studies
read up on Peter kropotkin, he stunningly portrays it in his writings how their quintessentially different
Infants show in-group preference based on physical attributes
there's a clear distinction between behaviour and nature, nature is universal, behaviour isn't
You can subvert nature and delimit the lizard-part of the brain, I will agree with you on this
human nature is a innate characteristic from birth, behavior isn't
Right. So what's your point? The innate characterstic of humans is to be better off and be able to reproduce and provide for your children
you cannot subvert nature
We have
that's a logical fallacy
No it's not
no they wouldn't, they would still behave like humans
This is a nonsense argument
can you stop boys chasing after girls? No, it's human nature.
Not even comparable. You're being erratic right now
saying the phrase "subverting nature" is already logically wrong
Read up up both human nature and behaviour
there's a clear distinction
I read up enough. I'm thinking that maybe you should
Are you here to just waste people
but you said you can subvert human nature
people's time? you make no sense whatsover
Yes
that's nonsensical
How so?
it proves you haven't read enough
Tsk
you can only change human behaviour, not nature.
We have done so since recorded history in 5000bc
so which part of human ***"nature"*** changed?
frank opinion. IF YOU WILL. a man wants to fuck. right? you don't take anus by force because societal norms tell you it's wrong. crude example but simple