@Arkaboo your gonna reply to me, or no?

@Leiro レイロ Pertaining to what? Your bad-faith arguments? I'm at a toss becacuse literally all you've said is absolutely wrong. Every single thing. Not subjectively-my-opinion-versus-yours. Straight up unsubstantiated opions you want to pass as facts. I can't. If you want to chalk it up as a win for your side, that's fine, I just don't have the time to gather all the sources to debunk yours. What I am worried about is that you may very well believe what you're talking about, instead of being a time-wasting shill.

show me how it's objectively wrong

show me how it's communism when there was wage labour and currency

Ideologically, you want to lobotomize all people. You claim than nature is different from socialization. And it is, but humaness depends on it and the freedom of choice. You want to claim to change and educate all people into and idea and supress their nature and that's fine but if you believe that education will turn all people "good" then the system doesn't matter. All systems will work when all people are "good". You can't claim nature vs socialization argument when it has, in fact, been debunked and that an in-group preference is a measure. You don't know about the psychology of a hierarchy. Or maybe, in your case, you think it can be subverted by "education".

@Arkaboo oi

we're debating the same thing in <#418667927169138688>

you want to help me there?

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No, are people born racists and bigots? Obviously not, there's a clear difference between human nature and human behaviour

sorry, I'm not trying to engage here, to be honest. I don't think it's productive

Yes, they are

It's been proven in studies

read up on Peter kropotkin, he stunningly portrays it in his writings how their quintessentially different

Infants show in-group preference based on physical attributes

there's a clear distinction between behaviour and nature, nature is universal, behaviour isn't

You can subvert nature and delimit the lizard-part of the brain, I will agree with you on this

human nature is a innate characteristic from birth, behavior isn't

Right. So what's your point? The innate characterstic of humans is to be better off and be able to reproduce and provide for your children

you cannot subvert nature

We have

that's a logical fallacy

No it's not

subverting human nature is a logical fallacy, can you force people to at like dogs?

no they wouldn't, they would still behave like humans

This is a nonsense argument

can you stop boys chasing after girls? No, it's human nature.

Not even comparable. You're being erratic right now

saying the phrase "subverting nature" is already logically wrong

Read up up both human nature and behaviour

there's a clear distinction

I read up enough. I'm thinking that maybe you should

Are you here to just waste people

but you said you can subvert human nature

people's time? you make no sense whatsover

Yes

that's nonsensical

How so?

it proves you haven't read enough

Tsk