And some people abort their children at over 24 weeks. That's murder literally, the baby is there, functioning.

reducing availability of legal and safe abortion practices most likely won't limit abortions as much as you think it would

You know under 24 weeks can be okay I suppose but there's some dumb people who are doing it after 24 weeks. Like what are you doing?

It probably won't, but it's a start.

at some point it's murder and should be illegal no matter what

"Of the 699,202 abortions reported to the CDC in 2012, 0.17% were at or after 21 weeks and occurred in a state where it was possible to have a post viability abortion for any reason."

Idk why this is such an issue for you guys, seems like an extremely rare thing

That's good then.

There's a lot of people in australia unfortunately who abort their child even after 20 weeks.

That I don't find okay.

Ok yeah, if you can abort it early, yeah that's fine but like.. i just feel for the poor children.

Me neither, but let's not pretend that the way to reduce abortions is to limit abortions

limit them legally I mean

They'll find a way to do anything, people find a way to do cocaine and it's illegal.

the best way is to improve education on contraception

It's like that for every law.

totally, so lets make them safe

and educate people better

I agree with that, make them more educated.

and make the procedure legal so we don't have to worry about sketchy shit fucking up unborn children and their mothers

but late term abortions are murders, so that's different....

Yeah it's a whole different thing, but it shouldn't be allowed

They think abortion is a move forward for women's rights. What fucking women's rights, to kill a child at over 20 weeks. Like idk.

I needa go make myself a coffee

Be back soon/

I think the ability to have sex without the risk of a child has had all sorts of societal impacts. Women see this as a boon but I think it has harmed gender relations.

I completely agree.

I think it's good that we have condoms and birth control.

Let people have fun, ya know.

Well, the problem is that the worst of society is populating the country while "educated women" slut around until their 30s and have few or no children. Women who have a bunch of partners are less likely to have happy successful marriages according to studies. You can't make a hoe into a house wife.

There's always educated people out there who won't slut around.

But want to have fun when they do have kids without having ten kids.

The point is, it encourages behaviors that reduce marriages, marriage happiness/success, birth rates, male and female happiness. All of these things on the decline since "sexual liberation". If you think "fun" is worth sacrificing all those things for, that's your call.

Thing is, you don't need to be married to have a successful family.

And you don't need a housewife to take care of the kids.

Both parents should help, that's laziness unless one of the parents work away.

Children do better with both parents in the home, it's not even close. Not marriage per se, but these things are highly corelated. You are correct that a woman could work and kids still do alright, that's not really what I meant. It was just a figure of speech. The economy is such that I understand why women must work now, another reason for a drop in female happiness. Career women of today are less happy than housewives of yesteryear. Also worth noting, women tend not to want to marry men who make less than them and women are overrepresented at university, so this decreases marriage as well.

You are right, there is a drop in happiness, but is every life perfect?

Life is hard in 2018.

Everything's more expensive.

In 1950, the woman could stay at home because the man could get enough money comfortably.