limit them legally I mean

They'll find a way to do anything, people find a way to do cocaine and it's illegal.

the best way is to improve education on contraception

It's like that for every law.

totally, so lets make them safe

and educate people better

I agree with that, make them more educated.

and make the procedure legal so we don't have to worry about sketchy shit fucking up unborn children and their mothers

but late term abortions are murders, so that's different....

Yeah it's a whole different thing, but it shouldn't be allowed

They think abortion is a move forward for women's rights. What fucking women's rights, to kill a child at over 20 weeks. Like idk.

I needa go make myself a coffee

Be back soon/

I think the ability to have sex without the risk of a child has had all sorts of societal impacts. Women see this as a boon but I think it has harmed gender relations.

I completely agree.

I think it's good that we have condoms and birth control.

Let people have fun, ya know.

Well, the problem is that the worst of society is populating the country while "educated women" slut around until their 30s and have few or no children. Women who have a bunch of partners are less likely to have happy successful marriages according to studies. You can't make a hoe into a house wife.

There's always educated people out there who won't slut around.

But want to have fun when they do have kids without having ten kids.

The point is, it encourages behaviors that reduce marriages, marriage happiness/success, birth rates, male and female happiness. All of these things on the decline since "sexual liberation". If you think "fun" is worth sacrificing all those things for, that's your call.

Thing is, you don't need to be married to have a successful family.

And you don't need a housewife to take care of the kids.

Both parents should help, that's laziness unless one of the parents work away.

Children do better with both parents in the home, it's not even close. Not marriage per se, but these things are highly corelated. You are correct that a woman could work and kids still do alright, that's not really what I meant. It was just a figure of speech. The economy is such that I understand why women must work now, another reason for a drop in female happiness. Career women of today are less happy than housewives of yesteryear. Also worth noting, women tend not to want to marry men who make less than them and women are overrepresented at university, so this decreases marriage as well.

You are right, there is a drop in happiness, but is every life perfect?

Life is hard in 2018.

Everything's more expensive.

In 1950, the woman could stay at home because the man could get enough money comfortably.

Now, that's not the case.

It was also that some women don't wanna be bored, that's how the feminism movement started in the 60s.

Then women entered the workforce and supply/demand took over, decreasing wages for men. Then the establishment on both sides supported importing cheap labor at the expense of the American worker. Women were lied to and told they would find happiness and meaning in work when that really isn't generally what they find. The truth is it's rat race that serves to make others rich while you eke out an existence. There is nothing more meaningful than raising children IMHO and the drop in female happiness seems to support that. There are exceptional women who might not fit the norm, but that is irrelevant. One shouldn't consider the exception while ignoring the rule. Lot's of things converge to make society as broken as it is today and it's just not better than it was and it's getting worse.

If one puts the individual above the society and ignores the fact the even individual women are less happy under this system, it is a good system.

Tbh I don't think that is what made society as broken as it is today.

I think what really divided society, especially American society recently is the mass feminazism.

Yes, but what I pointed out about women was also the result of feminist lies.

Unfortunately.

It's funny how people only focus on the women's oppression in middle-eastern countries.

When in countries like Saudi Arabia, men are just as oppressed or more, because if they do something wrong, it goes on their whole family and their cousins. If a woman does it, it's only her that suffers.

The thing is, employers love it, of curse. In a time when mass immigration would not have been allowed, it allowed them to drive down wages. that's another reason it happened, these things happened in tandem.

Oh, I didn't know that about saudi.