When in countries like Saudi Arabia, men are just as oppressed or more, because if they do something wrong, it goes on their whole family and their cousins. If a woman does it, it's only her that suffers.

The thing is, employers love it, of curse. In a time when mass immigration would not have been allowed, it allowed them to drive down wages. that's another reason it happened, these things happened in tandem.

Oh, I didn't know that about saudi.

So the whole family pays for the mistakes of a man?

No

But everyone knows about it, because men are in the hypermasculine environment.

But when women get charged with something, yeah everyone knows but its not that bad because women aren't in that environment.

So both sexes are equal there.

Both have dress codes

Both are kind of equal tbh when it comes to laws.

I see

It's quite equal, which I like. I would never be able to go there because I'd be thrown in prison immediately but it's a good society tbh.

Right, the plight of men is generally ignored by society. This is historically true as well.

Yeah there are some issues, but they have an okay system.

Men have suffered for societies to exist, men have largely built all the societies we know of and do the dangerous jobs, as they should. Men die and get injured at much higher rates, none of that is to be considered. Anyway, in my view, the typical western point of view is rotten at it's core and most ills we face emanate from that fundamental problem.

It's sad

Yeah, it is. I don't mean to be a downer but I think system has to crash before any meaningful fundamental change can occur. Until then, politicians will do the bidding of those wo want to use our countries purely as economic markets to be exploited while giving lip service to side issues, while ignoring our fundamental and difficult problems.

To be honest, it's understandable that they don't tackle the core issues, it would take more than politicians to fix and I don't think the populace is up for it yet.

It's unfortunate that a book written by some guy has affected society in such a way.

Especially western society.

What book is that?

Speaking of book, have you read Tucker's book? I plan to pick it up.

Never knew he had one

What I really want is Milo to make a book.

Oh, not really gonna comment on Milo lol. You were talking about the Quran earlier, huh?

No, I was talking about the laws in Saudi

@Cay So your telling me it’s okay to KILL an unborn baby just because it was a raped baby’?it

It’s still LIVING.

So you're telling me it's ok to just KILL a murderer in self defense? It's still LIVING.

So you're telling me it's [a really difficult moral decision] to just KILL a [questionably living things] just because it was [going to ruin multiple other lives]?? It's still [questionably living]!!! *outrage intensifies without thought*

Yeah because a murderer is in self Defense

a baby is innocent

*extreme outage *

Shit

My point was, there is a cost/benefit analysis that needs to be done in those situations.

no u

haha I've been had!

Ok dude that’s way too economical

For an abortion

debate

the economy has nothing to do with my argument