Yeah, it is. I don't mean to be a downer but I think system has to crash before any meaningful fundamental change can occur. Until then, politicians will do the bidding of those wo want to use our countries purely as economic markets to be exploited while giving lip service to side issues, while ignoring our fundamental and difficult problems.

To be honest, it's understandable that they don't tackle the core issues, it would take more than politicians to fix and I don't think the populace is up for it yet.

It's unfortunate that a book written by some guy has affected society in such a way.

Especially western society.

What book is that?

Speaking of book, have you read Tucker's book? I plan to pick it up.

Never knew he had one

What I really want is Milo to make a book.

Oh, not really gonna comment on Milo lol. You were talking about the Quran earlier, huh?

No, I was talking about the laws in Saudi

@Cay So your telling me it’s okay to KILL an unborn baby just because it was a raped baby’?it

It’s still LIVING.

So you're telling me it's ok to just KILL a murderer in self defense? It's still LIVING.

So you're telling me it's [a really difficult moral decision] to just KILL a [questionably living things] just because it was [going to ruin multiple other lives]?? It's still [questionably living]!!! *outrage intensifies without thought*

Yeah because a murderer is in self Defense

a baby is innocent

*extreme outage *

Shit

My point was, there is a cost/benefit analysis that needs to be done in those situations.

no u

haha I've been had!

Ok dude that’s way too economical

For an abortion

debate

the economy has nothing to do with my argument

I think the supply and demand says we shouldn’t abort

Nah the way you said I

Cost and benefit analysis

that's not economical, it's just a concept

pros/cons exist in every form of thought

Ye it’s just the au you said it’s

way you said it

cool

I will be honest, the demographics of who gets abortions is the main reason I support it. I'm 100% a pragmatist. More babies born to single black mothers would very much be bad news. Ignoring late term abortions, which simply should not be allowed. No lives are ruined as you can give up the child for adoption and if one's life WAS somehow ruined as a result, it would be because of their actions. " I did something that predictably necessitates the killing of a human to prevent my life from being negatively impacted so let me kill them." Nah. In no way is this like self defense and that's a bit of a "whataboutery".

@Shadowstitcher11 The baby is fully formed and living by 24 weeks. If they were raped, they need to abort the child before that or yes i think it’s murder after 24 weeks.

It's not whataboutism @t r u e , I was specifically giving an example of a moment in which cost/benefit needs to be analyzed, not saying that something as obvious as a self defense is directly analogous to an abortion. It's a subtle distinction but I appreciate you wanting clarification. I meant this: just as no one wants to kill someone in self defense, but a quick analysis shows that to sometimes be the right course of action, no one wants to abort a fetus, but sometimes an in-depth analysis (as the situation necessitates it) shows that to be the right course of action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV_pKXkZmTY&t=

right to abortion is a human right

this is great @Fabiano love it

ikr

I just got into chapo bcuz of the episode with natalie wynn