not some bureaucrats pocketing money

@wahx The first world creates relatively low carbon emissions. If you wanted to reduce emissions you would have to target developing manufacturing hubs like China, Vietnam, and Cambodia, and pretty soon much of Africa. Are you willing to destroy the only hope these peoples have for becoming economically self-reliant in order to lower the risk of climate catastrophe?

Are you the same ivlivs as the right Cafe? Lol

I've said nothing contradictory

I think every people has the right to a homeland, and people should be treated by different standards depending on where they are in the world.

"carbon emissions"
CO2 is just bullshit.

there is real polution that should be stopped.

It's more productive to argue under left wing assumptions because even there all the proposed solutions can be easily proven to be bullshit

why are you even trying to argue if you start with false information and assumtions?

It serves a practical purpose

It matters little if someone believes in manmade climate change if they don't support bad environmental policy

so you think end justify the means, even when you are just harming serious discussions with false information and assumtions?

yes

and even when third world is poluting world.

that's what I said

so you are litterally here to poison the well.

I'm here to discuss and possibly convince some people to have a more practical and righteous worldview

arguing under false assumptions or a bad paradigm is something you must often do if you want to convince people

or maybe just maybe learn to make better arguments, instead of using cheap leftist strategy.

that's an odd attitude

neither side owns strategy

It’s not super convincing when all you do is criticize his arguments without saying why @Jasse

don't join in on this one bud

he's not a bad guy he's just more idealistic than me

I’ll join in on whatever I want thanks

i only pointed out that he just admited he is here just to poison the well. and having really dishonest strategy of "winning debates"

It's fair to say that I'm muddying the waters incidentally, but my purpose is not devious like you say.

That's all I'm going to discuss it at any rate

Vegeta what does the scouter say about his power level

you cant ban ones opinion

hi

hi

“I work with climate scientists”

Well I’m God’s receptionist

you mean the climate scientist who will only get govt research grants if they find man-made climate change to be real

^

With enough money those people will show anything

http://www.climate4you.com/

good site of climate data if you are acctually interested about it.

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