@MikeyMike - 100% agree re: MSM - alternative media. @Roovdwalt you and I are on the same page. Its been good having a talk - I think its really important to engage! That said I have some work that I need to start engaging else that loaf of bread will fail to reach table shortly. Have a good day all.

Cheers @Dusty

Enjoy!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1028844385834680321

@Jerm to climb in on the Trump debate. I have a few mates in US some who voted for him and some who didn't. This is a conversation I have had with the ones who voted for him several times. What strikes me is how prevalent identity politics is everywhere in the world.

Trump on balance can't be described as a good person, but because of the bloody nose he gave the left people will defend the indefensible.

His attitude towards women is poor. The amount of woman voters he attracted doesn't change that. The ANC's attitude towards to poor is bad, and they still get the majority of the poor vote.

The MSM definitely overplays his fumbles, but there is no doubt that he used the zero tolerance policy at the border as a negotiating startegy... In my book that is really crappy.

If you took it from a US standpoint, he has played up divisions in society in order to consolidate power. Exactly what EFF and ANC do on this side. In my book that is really crappy.

Sites that log the honesty of leaders (that existed before Trump), show that he is far less honest than previous leaders (that in my book is crappy).

I don't know why people have to take this all or nothing approach to politics... they aren't sports teams, we can agree with some aspects and concede that other aspects are poor.

@Tom_Servo agreed, but if we look at dishonesty, then Clinton surely reins supreme... That was the biggest mistake of the democrats, having Clinton on the ballot

She had way too many scandals surrounding her and pretty much lied everytime she actually needed to be honest

I also don't get this Trump / Clinton ongoing comparison. Election was ages ago... He should now be judged on his own merit

and if she won, then she should have been

But, here are the stats :

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Yeah of course, but the debate was on the presidential election and why people are attracted to him, so it is still relevant. If he is being judged on his campaign promises, I would say, barring a few things, he is on track

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

either way, republicans didn't have to put trump up as a candidate, so this false comparison to Hillary gets old... There were some decent conservative candidates early in the primaries but Trumps playground strategy worked

Trump is their Zuma

doesnt matter what he does, supporters will defend

When I see this I dont know if Politifact is liberal owned with its own Bias

well thats your call to make.... but if evidence that contradicts your viewpoint makes you double down on your existing view point then I would suggest that no evidence will ever be enough

all I can say (anecdotally) was that a republican friend sent me this site after obama was elected to show how much he was lying

and on single items I have not encountered clearly biased findings

these graphs are the scores of investigated claims

I am always seeking the truth, but when I see such a difference between democrats and republicans on a website, I question what is not being told.

fair enough - it is possible that they choose not to investigate democrat lies, but you can search the site and see if your favourites are there

in my experience they are balanced

Its the first time I have seen the site, so please excuse my ignorance, I am just pointing out on first impressions

I am not trying to be rude (sorry if it comes off that way)

I am not radical leftist, I dont take offense 😃

https://www.poynter.org/news/politifact-biased-content-analysis-says-no

Its still difficult to know what is true and false, I know that Poynter is funded by George Soros, as are many fact checking companies

yoh great trump chat!

Damn, wish every leftist would watch this with an open mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVruEq-Gupk

I love Trump because he flips the bird at everybody. He has completely derailed mainstream media and doesn't give a shit.

@Robzombie I saw that earlier today, was def interesting

And his presidency isn't terrible either. The markets are doing fine. The people who hate him are just emotional.

Watching how people have lost their minds with Trump is the best when in actually fact he isn't doing to much of a kak job. Also can not judge the man to hard 2.5 years into office.

@Tom_Servo

"Trump on balance can't be described as a good person, but because of the bloody nose he gave the left people will defend the indefensible."

Describing him as good or bad is not something we can do, since it is a moral judgement, and we don't know him. We only know what the media portrays. Therefore, good or bad is irrelevant.

@Jerm yeah and i am in support of his trade war....why...because the Chinese have defrauded the US with almost 1 trillion dollars in the last 10 years, if you have netflix watch the chinese hustle docu....very interesting

I don't buy arguments favouring "balance" anymore. I used to, when I was naive.

At the end of the day, if he is "Making America Great Again" what more do the people want

exactly