Message from rob in Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars

2018-07-20 13:02:32 UTC  

Wait, what about a winner now? Everyone must be a winner if we agree on the golden rule, that's the point for me to suggest using that as a measure.

2018-07-20 13:02:32 UTC  

my friends annoy me the most, with their reasoning "but rob, you _can't_ say _that_"

2018-07-20 13:03:13 UTC  

You can't say that lol... Yet you said it and proved them wrong.. The ignorance lol

2018-07-20 13:03:37 UTC  

giving the other debater benefit of the boubt in a debate instead of picking at semantics is an example of why the golden rule just makes things smoother

2018-07-20 13:04:24 UTC  

Yes, but this isn't a debate, it's us reasoning together

2018-07-20 13:04:51 UTC  

Ok, you guys sound like seasoned debaters, so one of you please go first?

2018-07-20 13:05:05 UTC  

Doing the whole logos thing, the relationship of brotherhood

2018-07-20 13:05:16 UTC  

just noticing where the golden rule helps society. ebay by all acounts should have lasted a week, people pay, people run away with the money, but it didn't people trusted each other.

2018-07-20 13:06:16 UTC  

quite a few times I run into the idea that morality doesn't need a religious basis, or it does - what are your thoughts on that one?

2018-07-20 13:07:06 UTC  

Yeah agreed, golden rule is the only rule you need. Confucias had it nicely set for societal approach. Do not do to others what you would not like yourself. Then there will be no resentment against you, either in the family or in the state.

2018-07-20 13:09:19 UTC  

DeeJay you agree to the golden rule as the ideal way to define what's reasonable?

2018-07-20 13:09:27 UTC  

where does that put us with psychopaths?

2018-07-20 13:10:00 UTC  

and bipolar women (ducks)

2018-07-20 13:10:16 UTC  

Ah that's a discussion on solutions... We should maybe try get a room going for that where we can reason on solutions to our problems

2018-07-20 13:10:46 UTC  

@rob Get rid of sanctity.
People will understand the truth
and be happier.

Get rid of morality.
People will respect each other
and do what's right.

Get rid of value and profit.
People will not steal
if they do not desire.

If that's not possible, go to Plan B:
Be simple. Be real.
Do your work as best you can.
Don't think about what you get for it.
Stay focused. Get rid of all your crap.

2018-07-20 13:10:53 UTC  

~Lao Tzu

2018-07-20 13:11:59 UTC  

Lol traditional and a modern update to it

2018-07-20 13:12:10 UTC  

you see I think the verse here "Get rid of value and profit.
People will not steal
if they do not desire."

2018-07-20 13:12:14 UTC  

is so true

2018-07-20 13:12:30 UTC  

and the communists also believe it

2018-07-20 13:12:41 UTC  

but they come from a mindset of scarcity

2018-07-20 13:13:10 UTC  

And that scarcity mind set is a huge problem

2018-07-20 13:13:16 UTC  

I disagree with some of that though, value is needed... But it probably refers to material value.

2018-07-20 13:13:35 UTC  

whereas i see us producing so much 'stuff'(tools) that is good enough for purpose. I think in terms of value created using tools

2018-07-20 13:13:42 UTC  

Value is only needed in a materialist world.

2018-07-20 13:14:17 UTC  

Exactly, there's value that's needed... It's not material though. Which was my point

2018-07-20 13:14:25 UTC  

I commented on EWC that the communists mustn't be shocked if no one stays to hear them play once they've stolen all the instruments from the orchestra

2018-07-20 13:14:54 UTC  

I have tons of computers but I can't give my knowledge to my domestic worker

2018-07-20 13:14:58 UTC  

No, you value good as opposed to evil don't you?

2018-07-20 13:15:05 UTC  

so just giving 'stuff' has limited utility

2018-07-20 13:15:32 UTC  

what I'm saying is the only value is really the creative value

2018-07-20 13:15:46 UTC  

To be spiritual, and to become the definition of spirituality, you have to reject the material world. Not just through fasting. You actually, literally have to start getting rid of your shit. We do not get possessed by demons, we are possessed by our own possessions.

2018-07-20 13:17:10 UTC  

Your mind keeps track of every single penny you have. Every single thing you say and do. Everything you own. And how much you value it.

2018-07-20 13:17:29 UTC  

we have what we need(tool wise), the only things of value are not available on the market. Going back to the afterlife video library, you can't buy a video of Mozart without putting in the effort.

2018-07-20 13:17:29 UTC  

Ditsem! @rob, you just advanced to level 6!

2018-07-20 13:17:54 UTC  

Yeah but I'll have to bring up last nights argument again on ideology. These are all ideas, and ideas aren't inherently bad, you can't say you have NO IDEA what truth or reason is. You need an idea, and serving an idea you know to be good is not the same as being deceptively enslaved by an idea that's bad.

2018-07-20 13:18:20 UTC  

hmm, serving an idea is a really interesting point

2018-07-20 13:18:35 UTC  

have you guys read Crichton's critique on environmentalism?

2018-07-20 13:18:43 UTC  

When you start letting go of the material world - by eating less and doing less - your mind will start waking up.

2018-07-20 13:19:05 UTC  

I fast two to four days a week.

2018-07-20 13:20:21 UTC  

Why not just fast intermittently, you still get into ketosis that way and it's much more reasonable since it offers more consistency, as opposed to the chaotic interruptions you cause your body with the heavy start and stop