Message from Sheamus in Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology


2018-07-20 14:29:57 UTC  

well, you would if the person was charming and intelligent and hard working and rich and courting your daughter, surely (and a Christian)

2018-07-20 14:30:30 UTC  

and legit (ie has family and they are normal)

2018-07-20 14:30:32 UTC  

I mean generally

2018-07-20 14:30:35 UTC  

not a con man

2018-07-20 14:31:40 UTC  

I think in general encouraging anything for or against in the field of marriage for people unrelated to us is impinging on free will

2018-07-20 14:33:53 UTC  

Well I doing believe in free will per se

2018-07-20 14:36:03 UTC  

don't?

2018-07-20 14:39:01 UTC  

Nope. But as for marriage I would probably raise my children to value continuing their own people. But as I said an exception here or there doesn't concern me too much

2018-07-20 14:42:29 UTC  

I am not cool with multiculturism, i dont see the point of marrying different cultures... Not bothered by race though, I think naturally we go for what is familiar to us, however for some, the relate on different grounds. I think it is important to observe same values and ideas more importantly than appearances.

2018-07-20 14:43:38 UTC  

I think I don't believe in free will is an interesting topic for theology, I think a people is cultural, not racial African Americans aren't African I don't see any soapstone or giraffe carving happening in Chicago

2018-07-20 14:44:12 UTC  

I think I don't believe in free will is an interesting topic for theology, I think a people is cultural, not racial African Americans aren't African I don't see any soapstone or giraffe carving happening in Chicago

2018-07-20 14:44:33 UTC  

I would say no to marrying outwith the faith.

2018-07-20 15:18:15 UTC  

But if you breed out the genes that create the impulses that form behaviour which in tern forms the inteplay of behaviour between people which in turn form norms and habits and traditions...then you destroy the very genetic soil out of which a culture grows.

2018-07-20 15:20:02 UTC  

I'd say no marrying outside of your race. I can always convince a kinsman about my faith, but I can never make him/her white again.

2018-07-20 15:20:40 UTC  

I think culture shapes us biologically, not the other way around... What you imply is a source, I observe as a result

2018-07-20 15:23:39 UTC  

This is not a chicken or egg argument. Culture is the collective outward behavioural expression of a population group.

If what you are saying is true, why do non-whites consistently form the bulk of prison populations even when raised or assimilated in other cultures?

2018-07-20 15:25:19 UTC  

Abstractions don't create anything. People create abstractions.

2018-07-20 15:27:36 UTC  

Because they dont have the right set of ideas, they have never developed and progressed ideologically, hence they never progressed biologically or even technologically. Their inability to even feed themselves properly suffered them malnutrition, which biologically affected and regressed their biological development, like having a high IQ for example... doesnt mean they cant achieve it if they accept the right set of ideas.

2018-07-20 15:29:02 UTC  

Where do Ideas come from?

2018-07-20 15:29:02 UTC  

Ditsem! @$P!KY\/!k!NG, you just advanced to level 2!

2018-07-20 15:30:28 UTC  

They dont come from anywhere lol all ideas are repititions of older ideas, simply updated in a more modern context... Ideas are observed, not created. Ideas are ever present.

2018-07-20 15:33:49 UTC  

Peter Hammonds lack of use of the term Kinism, does not necessarily make him free from the doctrine of kinism. What do you make of this?

"I have discussed this matter with numerous pastors, theologians and authors throughout South Africa, in Europe and in America. Almost every one of them has agreed that the social and domestic consequences of interracial and inter-cultural marriages are disastrous. Most also agreed that they believed that such unions were unBiblical. However, only a few were willing to speak out openly against it, from the pulpit, or in counselling. There are a number of fine missions in Africa, experiencing Spiritual Revival, whose founders and directors have told me directly that they never have, and never will, marry people of different races, as they believe that to be sin.

I have many friends of all races. However, to marry across the colour line would be to me to betray my parents and all of our ancestors, and my children and future generations. Most importantly I believe it would be a betrayal to Almighty God, who has set the boundaries between nations."

https://www.frontline.org.za/index.php?option=com_content...

It seems to me that he identifies ethnicity and culture. These are two separate things.

2018-07-20 15:37:20 UTC  

Indeed, one is material the other spiritual... Some lean towards one and another some lean towards the other, while others are balanced between the two.

2018-07-20 15:41:54 UTC  

How can an idea be observed if it didn't originate from somewhere? ??

2018-07-20 15:43:18 UTC  

The bible is perfectly clear that interracial marriage is a sin and that mongrels are to be rejected and ejected from the volk.

2018-07-20 15:43:19 UTC  

because somewhere has to exist within time and space.... ideas dont exist in time and space

2018-07-20 15:43:53 UTC  

Where do ideas exist?

2018-07-20 15:47:05 UTC  

How can you observe anything that doesn't exist in time or space?

2018-07-20 15:47:12 UTC  

Again, "where" assumes a location within time and space. if you are going think strictly in terms of materialism, your interpretations will be prejudiced in favor of materialism.

2018-07-20 15:49:26 UTC  

also care to provide some verses for the argument that the bible opposes interracial marriage?

2018-07-20 15:51:46 UTC  

@SheamusHow many verses would be sufficient?

2018-07-20 15:52:05 UTC  

As many as you can share please?

2018-07-20 15:52:42 UTC  

Cool. How can one observe anything that doesn't exist in time and space?

2018-07-20 15:56:13 UTC  

instead of seeing, you can observe, and instead of hearing, you can listen. Instead of feeling, you can think. It leads to understanding as opposed to judgement. If you going to judge, you should judge righteous judgement, not on appearances, and appearances being a reference to how something makes you feel, which tends to be pretty shallow reactions, as opposed to in depth responses.

2018-07-20 15:57:41 UTC  

How about those verses please? want to look into that

2018-07-20 16:33:39 UTC  

How do you observe without your senses???

Deut 23:2
Jos 23:7
Jos 23:12
1 Ki 11:2
Ezr 10:2-18
Ezr 10:44
Neh 13:27
Pro 5:20
Pro 7:5
Pro 22:14
Jud 1:7

2018-07-20 16:35:23 UTC  

Daniel also points to the strife at the end times because the nations will become mixed like iron and clay but will not cling to each other.

2018-07-20 16:37:14 UTC  

I mean damn the whole book is about bloodlines of Adam. It would make sense that his Creator would want to preserve it.

2018-07-20 16:39:06 UTC  

One can also see that when the israelites enter the promised land they are commanded to kill everything of some nations but spare the women of others... the reason should be obvious...

2018-07-20 16:42:34 UTC  

Edom/Esau also lost his birthright because he was a racemixer.

2018-07-20 16:44:22 UTC  

Yeah I am reading each verse, so far nothing pointing out specific races, but rather focused on cultures really. I can see as a materialist how one can imply it as race, but then how do you reason with verses like "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;" or "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."....but will read through them all and see if there is anything i missed that might give legitimacy to your material basis.