Message from Daniel van Straaten in Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology
Here is the outline if you don't have time. https://truthxchange.com/2012/02/2996/
@Deejay from Earth Can we keep the flat earth chat to the info-wars channel please? [Apologies I edited this post to something different when I meant to post a new post so I have put it back to what it was.]
1 Chronicles 16:30 ►
Tremble before him, all the earth! The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved.
Flat Earth IS a Theological issue Sir.
I'll agree, if it pertains to the literature let it be, but the usual flat earth discussion focused on flat earth in general not referencing the literature should stay in info wars.
Did I post any flat earth proofs here?
Lol i didn't @ you, just joining in on the conversation in general, so speaking to all lol
Cool no worries.
@Sheamus I'm just trying to figure out the psychology here. I don't mind at all if people don't agree with Gods Flat Earth, or if they believe they live on a spinning ball or whatever. Really I don't. What gets me is the outright hypocrisy of calling oneself a Christian and then "believing" (as opposed to proving) they live on a spinning ball. That one I don't understand. Then let us throw "Prove all things" at them and see what comes up. In your view Sheamus, what do you think the problem could be? Flat Earth is is proven through scripture, science, reason, logic, every day experience, common sense, observation and most importantly - the evidence of our God given senses. Just wondering.. you know?
@Deejay from Earth i can't speak on behalf of others, but as far as i go personally, i cannot confirm or deny either, and as far as the literature goes, many people read the same literature and walk away with different interpretations of the same literature, so even just that alone could be chalked up to interpretation which can be altered by our own prejudices. On the matter of flat earth and globe, i am still undecided to judge outright, i have never been up high enough to verify any of this, and other people's claims are also just that, it's theirs. But to me, right now i go based on what works, if one theory allows us to predict something and it's accurate and reliable, then it's as close to the truth as possible until something more accurate and reliable comes along. Keep what works, discatd what doesn't work, and replace superior with inferior. I'm still in the progress of figuring things myself. Just don't take offence to any of it. Emotions aren't reliable to judge by, just be reasonable. I think we all try to be reasonable, and then there's also the matter that we all prioritize different matters. Not everyone's priorities are in the same place.
THIS: Not everyone's priorities are in the same place.
@Deejay from Earth Where are the edges? What happens when one gets there? Can I see some pictures?
We would need to move this to <#469490581899575297>
I'm happy just leaving it. No offence.
"Keep this in mind as you watch the news and browse your social feeds.
Also keep in mind that "the powers that be" intentionally and perpetually feed you information that will keep you angry with other Americans. #DivideAndConquer " Brandon Adams
The conversion of a Roman emperor to Christianity, of Constantine in 312, might not have happened-or, if it had, it would have taken on a totally different meaning-if it had not been preceded, for two generations, by the conversion of Christianity to the culture and ideals of the Roman world.(17)
“The heirs of Greek thought find it repugnant to accept information revealed by God; they insist on discovering truth by their own resources; and if this cannot be done in any case, they would rather go without the truth than to receive it as a gift from God.” Thales to Dewey, p. 155.
"Remember also that out of the title "God of Abraham" Jesus deduced the doctrine of the future life that the Sadducees denied. How many of us would have seen that lesson in that divine title? There must be innumerable truths in the Bible that escape our minds. Our danger is not in finding too much, but in finding too little."
(Gordon Clark Predestination, pg 14)
"I don’t see any reason for misrepresenting my opponents, they’re all so bad they don’t need to be misrepresented. If I misrepresented them, they’d appear better than they are." - Gordon Clark
This is very clarifying to me as a citizen of two kingdoms
@Daniel van Straaten Two Kingdom theology is usually dodgy. Is this in the same vein as Daryl Hart?
What kind of 2k theology does Darryl Hart believe in?
It seems one Kingdom theology is that which got the Jews into rejecting Christ. Sacralism reigned for a century in Europe and still plagued the magisterial reformers.
Modern “Radical 2K” led by David VanDrunen modifies the historic two kingdom doctrine by associating it with a dual ethic consisting of Scripture and “natural law.”
I affirm historic 2K while rejecting VanDrunen’s modification.
Historic radial 2K is what many anabaptist where.
"The moral law says thou shalt not kill. Paul says the magistrate wields the sword and kills legitimately. Moral law does not apply to government in the same way it applies to persons... Nero did not violate God’s law if he executed Christians who obeyed God rather than man. If Paul continued to preach after the emperor said he may not, then Nero was doing what God ordained government to do. Christians don’t get a pass from civil law just because they follow a higher law."
"The lips of the wise disperse knowledge, But the heart of the fool does not do so." Prov 15:7
I recommend the part two sermon on 2k theology on sermon audio too https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=77141712473
I would agree with the Westminster Establishment principle: the church and state are distinct but not wholly separate. They have separate spheres of authority but work hand in hand.
The whole nation should be Christian and it is the role of government to enforce that
Society should not be pluralistic. There should be no other religions in a Christian society