Message from @Shattered

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2019-12-26 03:56:24 UTC  

Yeah Capitalism has its flaws, but replacing private ownership with a collective ownership is retarded and would never work.

2019-12-26 03:57:57 UTC  

People like Bernie Sanders need to get their head out of their asses, we will NEVER go to a collective ownership system with Democratic Socialism.

2019-12-26 03:58:04 UTC  

are you capable of understanding the difference between socialism and social democracy?

2019-12-26 03:58:08 UTC  

Yes.

2019-12-26 03:58:32 UTC  

I understand what they are perfectly.

2019-12-26 03:58:52 UTC  

some public ownership makes sense

2019-12-26 03:59:02 UTC  

For what?

2019-12-26 03:59:07 UTC  

natural monopolies

2019-12-26 03:59:39 UTC  

Why should someone collective own something if it wasn't their company to begin with, if they didn't build it up from nothing?

2019-12-26 04:00:04 UTC  

because there are things where competition is impossible

2019-12-26 04:00:36 UTC  

would you please be more specific @Shattered

2019-12-26 04:00:37 UTC  

How does that affect competition?

2019-12-26 04:00:57 UTC  

If a group of people own something rather then a single person.

2019-12-26 04:01:18 UTC  

@The Librarian railway system

2019-12-26 04:01:56 UTC  

There will always be people at the top, no matter what the form of government is.

2019-12-26 04:02:09 UTC  

that's not a natural system

2019-12-26 04:02:28 UTC  

There will always be multi-million dollar companies that have a monopoly on things.

2019-12-26 04:03:02 UTC  

Collective Ownership could only work in that case, and not on a personal level.

2019-12-26 04:03:39 UTC  

The only public railway system on a national level is the Amtrak program.

2019-12-26 04:03:49 UTC  

gov ownership, not collective

2019-12-26 04:03:59 UTC  

nationalized

2019-12-26 04:04:06 UTC  

Thats even fucking worse.

2019-12-26 04:04:06 UTC  

Freight distribution is own by public companies

2019-12-26 04:04:15 UTC  

collective is impossible

2019-12-26 04:04:31 UTC  

Thats democratic socalism right there.

2019-12-26 04:04:34 UTC  

IMPOSSIBLE.

2019-12-26 04:04:40 UTC  

It doesnt work.

2019-12-26 04:04:47 UTC  

*sigh*

2019-12-26 04:04:49 UTC  

americans

2019-12-26 04:05:07 UTC  

look at europe, in austria the rails are owned by the gov

2019-12-26 04:05:15 UTC  

in germany its private

2019-12-26 04:05:28 UTC  

in germany its expensive as hell because they can raise costs, theres no competition on THEIR rails

2019-12-26 04:05:30 UTC  

only Amtrak is operated by the goverment

2019-12-26 04:05:33 UTC  

Its not the governments place to own shit.

2019-12-26 04:05:42 UTC  

Goverment owned schools are shit.

2019-12-26 04:05:50 UTC  

you cannot just build more rails

2019-12-26 04:06:03 UTC  

next to the others

2019-12-26 04:06:07 UTC  

thats bullshit

2019-12-26 04:06:07 UTC  

actually you can with government permission

2019-12-26 04:06:50 UTC  

I would recommend you review how our railroads work

2019-12-26 04:07:25 UTC  

they don't work the same way as other countries