@Bobby_Hill sex is some ass. I've never been interested in hooking up unless I do nofap, which is just to scratch an itch clearly. The enjoyment I get out of sex is from emotion, closeness, and being able to be vulnerable, but all of those things seem impossible with modern women lest you get seen as lesser. Masturbation itself isn't bad but I think we can all agree porn is awful for you. Over the past few days I've been more or less weaponizing masturbation just to control my libido

I disagree.

Nofap is a cult.

porn aint that bad unless its amature or hentai

Peddling pseudoscience.

professionally made porn is too fake for me

Also I was doing nofap because of the church before that Monday I broke down lol

I've definitely got my, er, niche, but you straight up get more depraved as you go on with porn

You sound like you're repressing desires that are already a part of your mind and personality.

You're not gaining anything. You're simply learning the desires that are already there.

Embrace it.

Aside from the whole masturbation question though, what about purpose and life plans more generally? I don't think anyone thinks human's sexual nature is more than a part of human purpose as a whole. And when trying to plan out a life, any questions about that is largely answered by the MGTOW-esque attitude towards romance that we mostly agree on.

MGTOW is a crock of shit

It's the male version of radical feminism

yikes, that's quite a view

Pretty much.

Avoiding women and the problems with society isn't gonna fix anything and is the most cowardly thing ever

Avoiding situations & circumstances that can be easily exploited by $hitty women, that I can understand.

Men who genuinely wish to avoid relationships and life life how they wish don't need nor want a loaded political ideology to dictate to them.

Which is what mgtow is.

It's a garbage, pointless, self-refuting ideology.

You'll have hard time avoiding all women & it doesn't seem to be a reasonable coarse of action for daily living.

Now that last statement is very much a straw-MGTOW @ThatsReallyGr8. It isn't about avoiding running into women, but avoiding (serious) relationships with women.

@Sorgklaan I'm interested in how "Men who genuinely wish to avoid relationships and live life how they wish *separately from romantic relationships*" is self-refuting.

How so?

that edit clarify it for you?

I'd like to say I don't wish to necessarily avoid relationships but I'm sick of changing myself/going out of my way to pursue them

If that makes me a beta faggot so be it

Do not change yourself.

Hahaha

No, no it doesn't.

Do not do that.

The straw man part & the self refuting part? I'm a little new at this site & this topic. I follow sandman on YouTube & that's where I 1st came across the MGTOW concept.

If you have to change yourself to pursue a relationship, you are doing it wrong.

The MGTOW subreddit will ban you if you post on any LGBT subs

They banned me for posting in the Bi sub

Now that'd be an interesting thing to post in <#515246258571575297> or <#523922218200203265>

Banning is such a wimp move.

Apparently because I can be romantic with men but im unable to be sexual with them that makes me bad in their eyes

Go figure

Somehow I've not been banned anywhere.