Aside from the whole masturbation question though, what about purpose and life plans more generally? I don't think anyone thinks human's sexual nature is more than a part of human purpose as a whole. And when trying to plan out a life, any questions about that is largely answered by the MGTOW-esque attitude towards romance that we mostly agree on.

MGTOW is a crock of shit

It's the male version of radical feminism

yikes, that's quite a view

Pretty much.

Avoiding women and the problems with society isn't gonna fix anything and is the most cowardly thing ever

Avoiding situations & circumstances that can be easily exploited by $hitty women, that I can understand.

Men who genuinely wish to avoid relationships and life life how they wish don't need nor want a loaded political ideology to dictate to them.

Which is what mgtow is.

It's a garbage, pointless, self-refuting ideology.

You'll have hard time avoiding all women & it doesn't seem to be a reasonable coarse of action for daily living.

Now that last statement is very much a straw-MGTOW @ThatsReallyGr8. It isn't about avoiding running into women, but avoiding (serious) relationships with women.

@Sorgklaan I'm interested in how "Men who genuinely wish to avoid relationships and live life how they wish *separately from romantic relationships*" is self-refuting.

How so?

that edit clarify it for you?

I'd like to say I don't wish to necessarily avoid relationships but I'm sick of changing myself/going out of my way to pursue them

If that makes me a beta faggot so be it

Do not change yourself.

Hahaha

No, no it doesn't.

Do not do that.

The straw man part & the self refuting part? I'm a little new at this site & this topic. I follow sandman on YouTube & that's where I 1st came across the MGTOW concept.

If you have to change yourself to pursue a relationship, you are doing it wrong.

The MGTOW subreddit will ban you if you post on any LGBT subs

They banned me for posting in the Bi sub

Now that'd be an interesting thing to post in <#515246258571575297> or <#523922218200203265>

Banning is such a wimp move.

Apparently because I can be romantic with men but im unable to be sexual with them that makes me bad in their eyes

Go figure

Somehow I've not been banned anywhere.

@Crinkus To qualify as MGTOW, strictly speaking all that's necessary is a rejection of marriage, cohabitation, and having kids. this conversation may be helpful in that regard https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/aqr0n1/girl_doesnt_like_boyfriend_because_she_found_out/egise3f/

ignore the topic in the thumbnail, the conversation has very much moved on from that. Interesting that guy does in fact cite Sandman.

Cool thanks!

I reject having kids and getting married tho

MGTOW does tend towards also rejecting the utility of long-term relationships in addition to cohabitation, but that is not strictly part of the concept.

It's easier to form a emotional relationship with a guy for me than with a woman. I'm wierd

I just really fuckin' love women

I'll take 50

Bring me a harem

Good luck with that buddy

They will all try to kill each other