Message from @asparkofpyrokravte

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2018-11-29 20:57:14 UTC  

"male students face discrimination in *each* subject" is right there in the abstract

2018-11-29 20:57:14 UTC  

Thanks a lot for your feedback. Those are all good points. I haven't read them yet as I have only just gotten back from work.

2018-11-29 20:58:44 UTC  

If that is the case, I'll leave it to you to cite the Israel study. By the way, I'm thinking that mentioning what you just said in the article would be a really good idea.

2018-11-29 20:59:38 UTC  

Help people see behind the feminist curtain, so to speak.

2018-11-29 21:00:53 UTC  

Good point

2018-11-29 21:00:56 UTC  

I'll do that

2018-11-29 21:59:00 UTC  

@asparkofpyrokravte lol mate check your Reddit replies xD

2018-11-29 22:00:03 UTC  

Same one as what?

2018-11-29 22:00:13 UTC  

Oh, lol

2018-11-29 22:00:53 UTC  

oops

2018-11-29 22:02:58 UTC  

Happens to everyone :3

2018-11-29 22:08:05 UTC  

Hrm, the Israel study, unlike the other studies is based off of two different exams, rather than the same exam randomly split into blind and non-blind groups. This serves as something of a confounding factor, since I suspect boys are simply legitimately better at standardized testing such as SATs -- for reasons completely separate from the course material. SATs are dumb. Thus the Israel paper's conclusion that boys were statistically significantly discriminated against in math is suspect

2018-11-29 22:08:43 UTC  

Even though that would jive with the subreddit's anecdotal experience of discrimination in math

2018-11-29 22:10:03 UTC  

That 0.48 of a standard deviation discrimination in literature though

2018-11-29 22:10:21 UTC  

Ouchie

2018-11-29 22:21:28 UTC  

I've certainly seen studies that indicate boys do better on standardised tests, and ones that indicate girls are better with coursework (so of course coursework has been increased over the last couple decades)

2018-11-29 22:24:26 UTC  

A study indicating that and the increase of coursework could possibly be included in the article

2018-11-29 22:25:23 UTC  

I'm not going to look for that, because my main sources for the gender bias here doesn't have this failing, both the blind and non-blind scores were the same test

2018-11-29 22:25:50 UTC  

The betting one was of this sort, for instance

2018-11-29 22:26:07 UTC  

And wasn't a standardized test either

2018-11-29 22:26:11 UTC  

However

2018-11-29 22:27:33 UTC  

In order to say that girl's issues with school environment are taken seriously

2018-11-29 22:27:46 UTC  

Because this goes way beyond just testing results

2018-11-29 22:28:00 UTC  

There are probably better sources for this sort of thing

2018-11-29 22:28:10 UTC  

but I'm not going to make a major point out of it

2018-11-29 22:28:24 UTC  

If you have one I wouldn't turn it down though

2018-11-29 22:30:21 UTC  

I'm getting a 404 error on that link, mate, I'll have a read through it and see of I can dig up anything that might be better

2018-11-29 22:32:24 UTC  

oh, dang, I seem to have myscopied the link

2018-11-29 22:33:41 UTC  

Not sure how that came out as fixies instead of fix, but hey

2018-11-29 22:34:24 UTC  

Thanks

2018-11-29 22:56:57 UTC  

Hrm, that's actually not useful to me

2018-11-29 22:57:10 UTC  

It points out taxpayer dollars trying to get girls into STEM

2018-11-29 22:57:34 UTC  

but that is very employment focused

2018-11-29 22:57:50 UTC  

whereas I'm looking for schoolroom changes.

2018-11-29 22:58:41 UTC  

Another thing I'm looking for is some study or aticle that notes that schoolroom behavioral differences, like boy's figeting. I can only get the abstract for this thing, and not the whole work: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.2044-8279.1993.tb01043.x

2018-11-29 22:59:01 UTC  

I was thinking along the lines of it illustrating that people care when girls need help but not boys, but I get your point.

2018-11-29 22:59:45 UTC  

indeed

2018-11-29 23:02:16 UTC  

I also found this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/06/stop-penalizing-boys-for-not-being-able-to-sit-still-at-school/276976/ (great article, btw), but it mentions toxic masculinity at the end, whereas I'm looking to make something less provocative that would even fit into the /r/MensLib community, since most of the boy's education stuff that I'm digging up really ought not to be contentious.