Message from @Men Are Human

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2018-11-29 09:48:34 UTC  

Yw x_X I get shy around praise, please don't make a habit of it :p

2018-11-29 11:58:09 UTC  

Don't worry. I'll try to not do it then. XD I could just add a /s after the thank yous.

2018-11-29 11:58:28 UTC  

Thanks a lot! I mean it! /s

2018-11-29 11:58:44 UTC  

How's that? :D

2018-11-29 11:58:49 UTC  

Well now that just sounds mean

2018-11-29 11:58:56 UTC  

Sorry.

2018-11-29 11:59:13 UTC  

I was trying to make you feel better

2018-11-29 11:59:24 UTC  

I am not good at that

2018-11-29 11:59:25 UTC  

Where's my Ferrari >.>

2018-11-29 11:59:30 UTC  

XD

2018-11-29 12:08:44 UTC  

If it runs Ofc that's fine

2018-11-29 19:44:53 UTC  

These citations are all for boys being marked lower than girls for the same work in school:

2018-11-29 20:55:52 UTC  

Careful, those are actually all studies I linked above just with different covers, except for the Israel study. Note that the OECD study, if you look at the actual source material instead of the headlines basically moves mountains to make a feminist justification for the gender bias. Though the actual OECD press release that I linked states the teacher bias more clearly than either the source material or the internationalednews article.

2018-11-29 20:55:57 UTC  

That Israel study is gold though!

2018-11-29 20:56:52 UTC  

Unlike the other studies concerning teacher bias which had all read the prior literature and said basically "as expected, teachers mark down boys...", the Israel study actually notes in the abstract that contrary to expectations teachers don't mark down girls, rather they mark down boys

2018-11-29 20:57:14 UTC  

"male students face discrimination in *each* subject" is right there in the abstract

2018-11-29 20:57:14 UTC  

Thanks a lot for your feedback. Those are all good points. I haven't read them yet as I have only just gotten back from work.

2018-11-29 20:58:44 UTC  

If that is the case, I'll leave it to you to cite the Israel study. By the way, I'm thinking that mentioning what you just said in the article would be a really good idea.

2018-11-29 20:59:38 UTC  

Help people see behind the feminist curtain, so to speak.

2018-11-29 21:00:53 UTC  

Good point

2018-11-29 21:00:56 UTC  

I'll do that

2018-11-29 21:59:00 UTC  

@asparkofpyrokravte lol mate check your Reddit replies xD

2018-11-29 22:00:03 UTC  

Same one as what?

2018-11-29 22:00:13 UTC  

Oh, lol

2018-11-29 22:00:53 UTC  

oops

2018-11-29 22:02:58 UTC  

Happens to everyone :3

2018-11-29 22:08:05 UTC  

Hrm, the Israel study, unlike the other studies is based off of two different exams, rather than the same exam randomly split into blind and non-blind groups. This serves as something of a confounding factor, since I suspect boys are simply legitimately better at standardized testing such as SATs -- for reasons completely separate from the course material. SATs are dumb. Thus the Israel paper's conclusion that boys were statistically significantly discriminated against in math is suspect

2018-11-29 22:08:43 UTC  

Even though that would jive with the subreddit's anecdotal experience of discrimination in math

2018-11-29 22:10:03 UTC  

That 0.48 of a standard deviation discrimination in literature though

2018-11-29 22:10:21 UTC  

Ouchie

2018-11-29 22:21:28 UTC  

I've certainly seen studies that indicate boys do better on standardised tests, and ones that indicate girls are better with coursework (so of course coursework has been increased over the last couple decades)

2018-11-29 22:24:26 UTC  

A study indicating that and the increase of coursework could possibly be included in the article

2018-11-29 22:25:23 UTC  

I'm not going to look for that, because my main sources for the gender bias here doesn't have this failing, both the blind and non-blind scores were the same test

2018-11-29 22:25:50 UTC  

The betting one was of this sort, for instance

2018-11-29 22:26:07 UTC  

And wasn't a standardized test either

2018-11-29 22:26:11 UTC  

However

2018-11-29 22:27:33 UTC  

In order to say that girl's issues with school environment are taken seriously

2018-11-29 22:27:46 UTC  

Because this goes way beyond just testing results