Message from @asparkofpyrokravte
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And wasn't a standardized test either
However
In order to say that girl's issues with school environment are taken seriously
Because this goes way beyond just testing results
There are probably better sources for this sort of thing
but I'm not going to make a major point out of it
If you have one I wouldn't turn it down though
I'm getting a 404 error on that link, mate, I'll have a read through it and see of I can dig up anything that might be better
oh, dang, I seem to have myscopied the link
Not sure how that came out as fixies instead of fix, but hey
Thanks
It might be worth considering this one: https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/06/schools-colleges-failing-boys-masculinity @asparkofpyrokravte
Hrm, that's actually not useful to me
It points out taxpayer dollars trying to get girls into STEM
but that is very employment focused
whereas I'm looking for schoolroom changes.
Another thing I'm looking for is some study or aticle that notes that schoolroom behavioral differences, like boy's figeting. I can only get the abstract for this thing, and not the whole work: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.2044-8279.1993.tb01043.x
I was thinking along the lines of it illustrating that people care when girls need help but not boys, but I get your point.
I also found this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/06/stop-penalizing-boys-for-not-being-able-to-sit-still-at-school/276976/ (great article, btw), but it mentions toxic masculinity at the end, whereas I'm looking to make something less provocative that would even fit into the /r/MensLib community, since most of the boy's education stuff that I'm digging up really ought not to be contentious.
For the most part I have enough sources, but that'd be nice to bridge the gap and hit the last point I need to hit
I like that article, the only thing missing from it is to mention the decline of such activities that they suggest should be used over the years
indeed
I probably won't mention it, but this study suggests that "sedentary recess activity" means less figeting and more attention, but vigorous recess activity doesn't help much: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peter_Smith34/publication/249797867_School_Recess_Implications_for_Education_and_Development/links/5672a47108aeb8b21c70d119/School-Recess-Implications-for-Education-and-Development.pdf
It is also a 1993 study
Mmm, the main conclusion I get from it is that sitting indoors naturally increases boy's (and girls) need for physical activity. I wouldn't think then that "sedentary recess activity" (low levels of play) would decrease figeting in class... Which part of the study mentions that?
@InsaneCaterpilla see page 58 about halfway down the document, "Cognitive Outcomes". They were discussing previous work by Pellegrini and Davis
Hmmm. I generally agree that too much physical activity can just make students tired or 'too hyped up' perhaps leading to inattention, but less activity leading to more attention seems to go against other studies
Indeed, moreover, a student willingly engaging in "sedentary recess activity" could also mean they don't feel the need to move as much
could be a confounding variable
you'd need to actually put people in a room and force them play with legos or something
an entire classful
Oh, @Men Are Human, the reason the Israel study didn't cite prior literature, was because it *was* the prior literature. The betting study (Ouazad & Page) literally cites it as the prior literature and the reason the result was expected in the first place.
Alright, I've got a reasonable handle on the first half of something article-y, and will put it down for the day.
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Boys have particular needs with regard to education. As is well known, [boys
and girls are different](
https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/hope-relationships/201402/brain-differences-between-genders
), physiologically, with regard how they process
information and that has an impact on how they handle a classroom setting.
Boys have harder time sitting still and focusing on a lecture, for instance, a
very difficult behavioral difference to accomodate.
Boys' brains are also more prone to special needs. Boys are more likely to
have [learning
disabilities, speech
impediments](https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED492634.pdf), [reading
disabilities](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1469-7610.1975.tb01269.x),
[autism](https://www.autismspeaks.org/science-news/cdc-increases-estimate-autisms-prevalence-15-percent-1-59-children),
and of course,
[ADHD](https://adhd-institute.com/burden-of-adhd/epidemiology/gender/). And
all of these by a factor of two or more (and in the case of autism and ADHD, much more).
Girls fare better than boys in all all school subjects, including math and
science. Moreover, contrary to popular belief boys falling behind girls is not
new, [but has been happening for nearly a
century](https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2014/04/girls-grades.aspx).
The gender
Education for boys is a serious and multifaceted issue with far
reaching consequences on boys lives. The education specifically of boys
deserves special attention. In some ways the school system is responding and
making excellent progress, but in many ways this is still not the case.
In fact, schools themselves exacerbate and directly cause part of the problem.
For at least the last decade researchers have been finding that [boys score
higher when graded
anonymously](https://www.ipp.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/n14-notesIPP-december2014.pdf).
This is reliably reproduced across nationalities. For some reason, teachers
seem biased against boys: when they don't know they are grading a boy, he gets
a grade bump. And when boys are discriminated against in this way, [they
notice](http://cee.lse.ac.uk/ceedps/ceedp133.pdf), and that could affect
classroom motivation. The bias is dependent on the teacher's gender.
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I did it in reddit format because hyperlink-text isn't a discord thing
Topics to discuss after the half include the reading and language gap having been (and being) addressed and successfully reduced (and probably an brief argument that schooling ought to be responsive to gendered issues for both genders), and that telegraph article: