Mate I've gone like, way overboard on criticism, I really dont wanna do anymore but oof ^^; it feels wrong for the first sentence to be a question with a yes/no answer unless it's the title, because it seems to have no flow, but that could just be me. That's all I'll say, besides it does definitely seem to have improved :3

Hrm, yep, I did notice that. Grrr. I like having the two questions, but I still need to change things around a bit.

@asparkofpyrokravte we need to come up with a good title first

Right, you were talking about that a bit

What would you suggest more than "An Issue of Education"?

I think I interrupted you last time you were talking about that.

That would be too vague for a title even though it is on a men's rights site

Atleast we need people to know what it is just from the title and to click on it.

Title strategy should be like this:

Make it vague only it if the vagueness increases the chances of a click.

Otherwise be on point

So then how does one be more on point for such a broad topic without going full acedemic into "A Summary of Boys' Issues in Education"? I'm really completely a loss here. I feel the present suggested title is a relatively serviceable balance given its scope.

Is the gender disadvantage in education, similar to that of in race(white v black)?

Not quite, but that is relatively irrelevant

That's gonna change the scope of the topic to have to include studies on race in education as well

exactly

Yeah, that is

But it's a feminist criticism which can arise

The gender disadvantage in terms of absolute outcome really is just one paragraph in this article anyways, even though it is referenced therafter. And isn't US-centric (for reasons that become relatively important in the middle of the article).

We need to atleast mention it in a sentence to as to deflect criticism

And since because of the racial disadvantage, we are doing much to decrease the gap like scholarships, programmes, quota etc.

But we are doing jackshit about the gender gap

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I mean tell something like that

The US is sure, but this really isn't US-centric in nature

and even then mostly for university admissions

Okay

I didn't even quite stick to the anglosphere

It's a worldwide thing

Even in the third world, this is starting to be the case

And the quotas mostly already apply to boys IIRC, except in those nations which decided to get rid of the that when they found that it no longer fit the intersectional stack

@Indigo I'm not sure mate how feminism can use the racial gap as a critique against an article about the gender gap in education

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding?

That's how they work

I've heard, feminist critiques about the gender sentence gap

Saying that black men get harsher sentences for the same crime.

It's true, we need to acknowledge that.

The thing is, that sentencing gap objection doesn't apply to the UK, for instance. It is a US-centric objection only. Similarly, the counter to the objection would also be US centric, since the racial gap is going to be lesser in some other countries. Besides that, it isn't a valid critique, and most of the people reading the article, even if they thought race was a bigger issue, wouldn't object to eventually getting around to boys issues.

It is something that I think would be better served as a reply to a comment

rather than something in the article proper

It can be acknowledged, but without including it in the article, how will they bring it up as an argument against a gender gap? I can't see a way for it to be introduced.

They can say black men are sentenced harsher for example, but that doesn't say men are sentenced harsher than women.

If someone were to be saying that the reason for the gap were that specifically black men are being sentenced harsher, and that's the entire reason, then at that point in the comments you could point to studies which show race specific statistics (for example, men and women of the same race sentenced) which do prove that the gap between sexes is actually bigger than that of race.

Now if you're going to make the same argument in regards to education, perhaps saying something like it is the black men from poorer backgrounds who comprise this difference, it wouldn't explain why the girls are still doing better, and also it wouldn't hold because the studies Genkernel has dug up studies from the world over where the number of foreign students of black decent is very slight, and where living standards for the poorest in society are generally higher