Message from @Indigo

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2018-12-12 05:03:27 UTC  

"Do boys lag behind girls in academic achievement? Yes, boys get lower grades in school almost universally. There are several ways in which boys have particular issues with regard to schooling as compared to girls. What can be done about those issues? Well, it's complicated. There are some things that appear to be solvable or at least mitigated by school system, but some of the differences seem intractable, and everything is mired in politics. What follows is a summary of boy's issues with schooling, how those are being addressed, and hopefully a little of why those issues should be important to you."

2018-12-12 05:08:47 UTC  

Mate I've gone like, way overboard on criticism, I really dont wanna do anymore but oof ^^; it feels wrong for the first sentence to be a question with a yes/no answer unless it's the title, because it seems to have no flow, but that could just be me. That's all I'll say, besides it does definitely seem to have improved :3

2018-12-12 05:10:53 UTC  

Hrm, yep, I did notice that. Grrr. I like having the two questions, but I still need to change things around a bit.

2018-12-12 05:11:15 UTC  

@asparkofpyrokravte we need to come up with a good title first

2018-12-12 05:11:34 UTC  

Right, you were talking about that a bit

2018-12-12 05:11:41 UTC  

What would you suggest more than "An Issue of Education"?

2018-12-12 05:11:57 UTC  

I think I interrupted you last time you were talking about that.

2018-12-12 05:12:26 UTC  

That would be too vague for a title even though it is on a men's rights site

2018-12-12 05:13:01 UTC  

Atleast we need people to know what it is just from the title and to click on it.

2018-12-12 05:14:51 UTC  

Title strategy should be like this:

Make it vague only it if the vagueness increases the chances of a click.

2018-12-12 05:15:08 UTC  

Otherwise be on point

2018-12-12 05:15:58 UTC  

So then how does one be more on point for such a broad topic without going full acedemic into "A Summary of Boys' Issues in Education"? I'm really completely a loss here. I feel the present suggested title is a relatively serviceable balance given its scope.

2018-12-12 05:17:21 UTC  

Is the gender disadvantage in education, similar to that of in race(white v black)?

2018-12-12 05:17:52 UTC  

Not quite, but that is relatively irrelevant

2018-12-12 05:18:06 UTC  

That's gonna change the scope of the topic to have to include studies on race in education as well

2018-12-12 05:18:10 UTC  

exactly

2018-12-12 05:18:19 UTC  

Yeah, that is

2018-12-12 05:18:38 UTC  

But it's a feminist criticism which can arise

2018-12-12 05:19:04 UTC  

The gender disadvantage in terms of absolute outcome really is just one paragraph in this article anyways, even though it is referenced therafter. And isn't US-centric (for reasons that become relatively important in the middle of the article).

2018-12-12 05:19:54 UTC  

We need to atleast mention it in a sentence to as to deflect criticism

2018-12-12 05:20:49 UTC  

And since because of the racial disadvantage, we are doing much to decrease the gap like scholarships, programmes, quota etc.

2018-12-12 05:21:05 UTC  

But we are doing jackshit about the gender gap

2018-12-12 05:21:14 UTC  

********

2018-12-12 05:21:28 UTC  

I mean tell something like that

2018-12-12 05:21:31 UTC  

The US is sure, but this really isn't US-centric in nature

2018-12-12 05:21:44 UTC  

and even then mostly for university admissions

2018-12-12 05:21:52 UTC  

Okay

2018-12-12 05:22:23 UTC  

I didn't even quite stick to the anglosphere

2018-12-12 05:24:23 UTC  

It's a worldwide thing

2018-12-12 05:24:42 UTC  

Even in the third world, this is starting to be the case

2018-12-12 05:26:03 UTC  

And the quotas mostly already apply to boys IIRC, except in those nations which decided to get rid of the that when they found that it no longer fit the intersectional stack

2018-12-12 05:26:26 UTC  

@Indigo I'm not sure mate how feminism can use the racial gap as a critique against an article about the gender gap in education

2018-12-12 05:26:42 UTC  

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding?

2018-12-12 05:26:52 UTC  

That's how they work

2018-12-12 05:27:53 UTC  

I've heard, feminist critiques about the gender sentence gap

2018-12-12 05:28:40 UTC  

Saying that black men get harsher sentences for the same crime.

2018-12-12 05:29:17 UTC  

It's true, we need to acknowledge that.

2018-12-12 05:29:44 UTC  

The thing is, that sentencing gap objection doesn't apply to the UK, for instance. It is a US-centric objection only. Similarly, the counter to the objection would also be US centric, since the racial gap is going to be lesser in some other countries. Besides that, it isn't a valid critique, and most of the people reading the article, even if they thought race was a bigger issue, wouldn't object to eventually getting around to boys issues.

2018-12-12 05:29:59 UTC  

It is something that I think would be better served as a reply to a comment

2018-12-12 05:30:03 UTC  

rather than something in the article proper

2018-12-12 05:30:08 UTC  

It can be acknowledged, but without including it in the article, how will they bring it up as an argument against a gender gap? I can't see a way for it to be introduced.