Secondly, you should really skim through the CCL paper for some context about all the goings on (or for that matter carefully re-read draft 3). This is not primarily a discrimination issue outside the anonymized-grades thing (and even then, unchecked bias rather than deliberate is hardly ruled out as an explanatory factor for much of it, and subconcious bias is at least a significant part of the issue, as the Israel paper and some others note that teachers tend to be harsher on same-gender). There is the usual callousness towards male needs, sure, but even when Australia made some crazy-big strides towards reducing the gap in how the genders are treated, the OECD results didn't show that having a measurable effect. That means this teaching boys is a legitimately hard thing and not one with lots of easy improvement.

Very different from family court.

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I'll have a more detailed look at things tomorrow

@Men Are Human Also, did someone get you your explanation of Canadian law? What in particular did you need to know about?

Oh, do you have a source for "This means that boys don’t come close to catching up with girls by the time they sit their final exams. "? All the stuff I've looked at (and indeed, easily confirmable by anecdote) says there is much, much more variance between boys and other boys than between boys and girls.

@asparkofpyrokravte Okay, feel free to remove that, but it is based on https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/11/16/boys-left-fail-school-attempts-help-earn-wrath-feminists-says/

Sorry if that wasn't accurate. And sorry if it is an overstatement

@asparkofpyrokravte I still haven't been told if Ontario has different laws from the rest of Canada, as far as I know. I should Google it to be honest.

@asparkofpyrokravte I actually did have a source for boys being behind at age 16, but I need to hunt it out. Bear in mind that everything I wrote it a first draft. If need be we can delete the bits that are wrong or poorly written.

@Men Are Human Even though I'm not Canadian, if you tell me exactly which law you're looking for, I can take a look around for you, if you like

Different provinces of Canada do have different laws on that level

I volunteered in a high school about 10 years ago mostly working with one lad in year 7- he could barely read or write at age 12.. we'd look round the school library for something he was interested in reading but it was almost all fiction aimed at typical girls interests which was a big problem when trying to get the kid interested

(uk highschool).. people know the gaps between girls and boys exsist but seem to blame boys themselves for the issues (its because boys think its not cool to learn etc) rather than the way kids are being taught now is not suitable for most boys (because if they started admitting that it would mean admitting gender differences - but genders a social construct)..

@InsaneCaterpilla Just wondering if the law we talk about on the front page of the site only applies to Ontario

@Tomas If you can write about it for us that would be awesome

@Men Are Human Ill give it a go if I manage to finish it Ill let you know

I believe that the 1987 pay equity act was only passed in Ontario. In 2018 it's being proposed on a country wide level legislation

The wording of the 1987 act is absurd to the point of making the bill worthless though

here: A female job class must receive compensation that is at least equal to the compensation that is **paid to a male job class of equal or comparable value**

If they were equal they would likely already be getting the same. I can't find a single case of the act actually being enforced

Also I assume that they have some kind of list of what constitutes a female job class? Anything 50%+ female?

As far as I can tell the entire thing is worthless, and done solely to pander to feminist voters

@Tomas thanks a lot

@InsaneCaterpilla Well it's a relief if it isn't being enforced, but the wording does imply a man could be paid less. I should really have run this by you guys first

However, if it is going country-wide it may be

Yes, the language is definitely gendered to exclude men, probably because they would then have to pay male porn actors more

@InsaneCaterpilla Ah, there we go then. It seems like it is in force

Hmmm

Do you want to take the text and do a couple of edits for clarify?

No thank you mate, its your article, and besides, I'd like to see what @asparkofpyrokravte thinks about my opinion on that particular law

Also I just started watching the final of the apprentice xD

Alright then. It was actually @blueorange22 's article originally, but I made a lot of changes. I may have overstepped.

@Men Are Human Canada is similar to the US in that it has pretty strict regional (provincal/state) vs federal separation of what can be legislated

Everything that is in the https://menarehuman.com/canada-equal-pay/ is talking federal

They are trying to spread this, though, aren't they?

No need to say trying to. I didn't know about the equal pay act of 2018 actually before reading blueorange22's article, but that's a federal version of the formerly ontario legislation

And the Employment Equity Act was federal from the start it seems

I haven't had enough sleep to be talking about this, lol

So, I'm guessing the article is right but the citation is just for the act covering Oneatro?

no, the article is right and the citation is for the federal act (which also explains the history of the act, s tarting in ontario)

the article is completely right in every way and right about Canada as a whole