Most claims made about the movement have a basis in reality

well, i certainly cant disagree with that. as to the "blatant lies", they have a very strongly and inaccurate view of the MRM based on generalizations that have no basis in anything we ever say.

Would you perhaps care to provide some examples so that I may evaluate them?

Like when they there is no systemic sexism against men via law

I would not say that that is a claim about MRAs as much as a claim about society. If some people on r/askfeminists do genuinely believe that, then I feel that they need to take the time to better educate themselves (something I think everyone should do regardless)

ok, take this post: "https://old.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/a96817/what_do_you_think_of_counterfeminist_groups_like/" it asks "what do you think about counter feminist groups like MRA, red pill, etc". the mods tagged it "l;ow effort/antagonistic". lets see some of the replies:

Feminist do exacerbate the problem by creating absolutely sexist laws like vawa and Duluth mkdel

"Given that you posted the same thing on MR, and are now discussing our answers over there, I don’t have much credence in this being a “good faith” post. You are on the thinnest of all possible ice."

"They’re hate groups that try and disguise their hatred by pretending to work towards men’s rights, while instead hurting men as a whole." 28 upvotes

oh really, we are?

"Your question is suspicious because you ask what is thought of counter-feminist groups. Counter feminist groups in general are my enemy because I oppose oppression and support liberation and self-actualization for all, and feminism is one of the most articulate and advanced sources of liberation activism."

we are their enemy because they oppose oppression? so why are we the enemy?

"I have very limited experience with these groups because, like most people here, I believe they are very hateful and I dont want to expose myself to that. "

so they oppose our very existence and dont even want to give us a platform

and thats just me clicking the first result when i search "mens rights movement" in their thread history

Right, so blue. First of all, it is definitely a low effort/antagonistic post. That is one of the most common questions on that sub, and it keeps getting asked.

Also, can you slow down please? I am having a hard time keeping up

'"Given that you posted the same thing on MR, and are now discussing our answers over there, I don’t have much credence in this being a “good faith” post. You are on the thinnest of all possible ice."
This one makes sense. It is very similar to quite a lot of "hur dur look at these stupid people" posts you see everywhere.

thats fast for you? sorry. but i do NOT see that as an antagonistic post, it's a relevant question and it was 3 years ago. the poster doesnt know when else questions where asked

Yes, that is fast for me mate. Not the fastest of typers here.

So the thing is, the question may have been relevant at first but it keeps getting asked. The example you linked is only 3 days old.

but how? its not "good faith post"...based on what?? why wrong with posting it in both subs? if anything, thats getting a balanced view

ah, indeed.

well IMO that makes them even worse because thats a logically indefensible view. you're not saying anything to justify those comments

Because the OP is "discussing" the answers in a Q&A thread in a community that is very clearly in opposition to the first group. And as it is asking a question about the POV of a specific group, it is not really something that you can get a balanced view of.

r/askfeminists is a trash propaganda site. it shouldnt be given any serious consideration, for anything

how so?

If we could just refrain from bold and brash claims for the time being, that would be great.

"Because the OP is "discussing" the answers in a Q&A thread in a community that is very clearly in opposition to the first group. " i think that makes perfect sense

I've spoken with askfeminism people a bit, one of the few feminists subs I have gone to and not been banned from, I don't think they are bad people, I think they are just misguided in some areas, I think labeling them as malicious is disingenuous, although some of them can very much come across that way at times, also the rule that people bring up a lot about the "only feminists can respond" although seems unfair it makes sense as the sub is called "ask feminists"

to label us a hate group is completely unreasonable. in what ay? which of our positions are hateful?

they frustrate me so much, sometimes I want to loose my shit at them because their apathy towards men is just so blatant and apparent, I don't think it is because they are actively trying to be bad people, and we wont achieve anything by blocking ourselves off from each other.

However, this particular thread is not existing in a vacuum chamber. There is a long history of negative and abusive behavior between the two groups. The only reason for one to post such a link is for the group being discussed to see criticisms

@blueorange22 It is not nessecarily the positions of MRAs that are hateful, but rather the actions. I have read too many stories of feminists being harassed by self professed MRAs across the web.

the harassment happens on both sides

I've found that a lot of the time those harassments are actually legit criticisms.

it results in people becoming quite jaded

And other times it is rape and death threats @Men Are Human

@Men Are Human exactly. they accuse of us of being sexist and not really caring about mens rights. who the hell are they to make that call on our behalf?

from today "Their whole existence is explicitly antagonistic to the idea women deserve liberation. Feel free to click the links in that article because it sources most of what it is describing be it harassing behavior, misogynistic quotes, or distortion of facts. You state that Men's Rights has more facts on their side so I wonder if you actually have as critical an eye on their rhetoric. Most of what they say is to lay blame on women's feet or feminism but the problems they describe are societal problems that men are guilty of enforcing as well. I rarely ever see them propose an actual all-encompassing solution or address structural barriers to solve the problems they claim to care about."

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/aa7iss/why_do_you_guys_seem_to_hate_mens_rights_activists/

The problem on both sides is this: Each tries to paint the lowest common denominator of the opposing group as the average. Feminists are all painted as misandrist bigots, and MRAs are all painted as rape apologists