It makes sense, even with a condom there's almost always going to be some contact with some kind of bodily fluid

My parents have been married for over 50 years now, and still going strong.

@goodmod I'm glad to hear it. :)

@basedgringo There ought to be no abortion. We need to start holding people accountable for the offspring they make and ensuring that children are being raised with both parents.

It seems to me the republicans that claim to agree with you are also the same ones preventing us from having equal rights.

ERA failed to pass in VA recently because republicans supposedly blocked it over concern it would make abortions legal.

ERA?

I'm a republican

Also am a Trumper

I love trump

Equal Rights Amendment. Makes the law blind to gender.

Imho it is a big deal. I don't see how it would lead to abortions being legal. I do see how, if abortion is illegal, it could cause both partners to be equally responsible for the outcome.

I just read a bit about it, it does make sense in a way. Such a thing could create weird loopholes in legislation that is already gendered

"the ERA could be used to justify taxpayer-funded abortion because 'only women can be pregnant, (and) therefore denial of abortion funding is sex-oriented discrimination.'"

I wonder how it would affect men-specific rights like circumcision

If men can be circumcised at birth women can too?

I think that one of the reasons that doctor in America got away with circumcising 9 little girls was because of pointing out gender bias in the law

That bit about abortion funding doesn't actually say it would make abortions legal. Just that if it were it might be paid by taxpayers.

Exactly^

Abortion is already effectively legal in all US states, it's just a matter of availability

I still don't think it makes sense to have taxpayers pay it. Make both parents responsible for the cost of the abortion.

Some states make it more difficult because they can't outright outlaw it but they can make it harder to get

You're right though, it doesn't make sense for it to be tax-funded

I re6 wish they'd just separate these things into different laws

I'm happy to pay taxes for it, it's cheaper than paying for the kid

But then you have to pay for other people's negligence. Pay for the prevention, not the stupidity. Donate money to buying them birth control.

But I think there should be a thing where if the father wants the kid they figure out a way to get the kid to term, even if they have to transfer the fertilized egg to someone else or something

Oh, I definitely agree about prevention first

Ideally, not being able to have kids would be the default and you'd need to do something special when you want kids, rather than the opposite, but it's science-fiction at this point

If we had the kind of technology you are talking about, wouldn't that make abortion morally questionable since youd be killing viable babies?

They are still only viable if a woman is carrying them. Nothing has changed.

I know, I was replying to him hypothetically.

Yeah, if we had this kind of technology you're right that abortion wouldn't make sense unless the baby is malformed or something

Then it would be more like birds who lay eggs, you'd want to transfer it to someone who wants it

Not being able to have kids is already the way people start out, funnily enough. They're meant to have about 14 years to learn some sense before they're physically able to produce a child

it doesn't really work like that though

Yeah, but they'd probably need at least 20 more for most people 😛

We could take this argument much further. Suppose you could take the baby out and grow it in an artificial womb.

That would be ideal, as then nobody would need to suffer the side effects of carrying the baby

And the only reason to oppose it would be "I don't want someone to have my genes" which seems very petty if there are parents who want the child

I mean, as long as you don't get hit with having to pay when the people who get the child decide they want money