You're right though, it doesn't make sense for it to be tax-funded

I re6 wish they'd just separate these things into different laws

I'm happy to pay taxes for it, it's cheaper than paying for the kid

But then you have to pay for other people's negligence. Pay for the prevention, not the stupidity. Donate money to buying them birth control.

But I think there should be a thing where if the father wants the kid they figure out a way to get the kid to term, even if they have to transfer the fertilized egg to someone else or something

Oh, I definitely agree about prevention first

Ideally, not being able to have kids would be the default and you'd need to do something special when you want kids, rather than the opposite, but it's science-fiction at this point

If we had the kind of technology you are talking about, wouldn't that make abortion morally questionable since youd be killing viable babies?

They are still only viable if a woman is carrying them. Nothing has changed.

I know, I was replying to him hypothetically.

Yeah, if we had this kind of technology you're right that abortion wouldn't make sense unless the baby is malformed or something

Then it would be more like birds who lay eggs, you'd want to transfer it to someone who wants it

Not being able to have kids is already the way people start out, funnily enough. They're meant to have about 14 years to learn some sense before they're physically able to produce a child

it doesn't really work like that though

Yeah, but they'd probably need at least 20 more for most people 😛

We could take this argument much further. Suppose you could take the baby out and grow it in an artificial womb.

That would be ideal, as then nobody would need to suffer the side effects of carrying the baby

And the only reason to oppose it would be "I don't want someone to have my genes" which seems very petty if there are parents who want the child

I mean, as long as you don't get hit with having to pay when the people who get the child decide they want money

I don't know why anyone would want to pay to support hordes of babies born in a lab.

I don't see why there would be more than now

I would if that means they don't get killed.

Although it would be best if babies were ONLY grown in a lab, then you wouldn't have one accidentally

Well, yeah, you'd want to reduce unwanted pregnancies

Because the artificial womb has taken all the complications out of having a baby and both parents can choose not to raise it in a world where the sexes have equal rights.

I mean the US has a huge amount of unwanted pregnancies but other countries with better sex ed have way less

Maybe the artificial wombs would be reserved for babies that have parents waiting for them

I would predict the worst crime wave in American history 20 years after the artificial womb.

Pretty much, realistically the idea should be to make it *more* likely that children have both parents, not create a new way for children to only have one parent

Maybe both parents are required to pay child support regardless of weather either one raises it. Problem solved.

Having one parent isn't necessarily a problem if you have a lot of other supportive adults around

This is true. And having no parents around still results in having supporting adults if they are paying your way through adulthood.

But I think we agree in the big picture, that we should start with better education and available birth control. And ideally birth control for men too, and not just permanent one

This is what I support. Men should have a birth control option that is not condoms or abstinence

I've heart about the "heat" method but it's really not practical

Female birth control is already relatively inexpensive (about 50 bucks a month, 1/16th the price of the average abortion)

You have to dip your balls in hot (but bearable) water every day for like 30 minutes

I mean, not realistic

Lack of male BC is a result of market forces and politics that have more to do with the drug industry than equality though.

Yeah, I don't think it's people saying they don't want men to have birth control. I know a lot of women support the idea too, and lots of guys would want the option obviously

Actually not that frequently. I read a chart about how long and how hot to sterilize for X days/months. I think the data was gathered in India.