I think... I think what I would want the most is that if the father wanted the baby to be aborted and the mother decides to keep it, he can't be asked to pay child support

i think thats fair

definately @Avistew

I don't disagree with your points, I'm just sad that a quirk of biology gives a woman so much power in the decision to have a child

Yeah

why should the only out for a father be suicide

It is sad yea, but in hoping advances in genetics can make things better in the future like an artificial womb for gay couples or anyone else

I guess the only thing guys can do if they don't want kids is do their best to avoid the pregnancy and hope for the best

i watched a 3D recreation of what an abortion looks like from within the womb and its basically using sharpened metal tongs to rip the fetus limb from limb

thats just legalized manslaughter by technicality

Most abortions are earlier than that, you just take a pill that causes a miscarriage

You're talking about a late-term abortion

its still fucked up

how am i supposed to know if some broad im dating has aborted fetus ghosts up in her pussy

Maybe, but if the woman wants to get rid of the baby it's better than drinking or getting into an accident on purpose and possibly getting a baby with health problems and stuff

i dont see the after birth topic as an MR issue, that said, i think it will look very bad. i actually think many feminists will oppose it

Well, I don't believe in haunted uteruses so that helps

i aint sticking my dick in a wet cave of ghosts

i aint no ghost buster

fuck that shit

Well, that's why you use protection. Like the ghostbuster's suits. But called a condom

Otherwise, best bet is probably not to have sex. I mean you won't really know

i think women should have a marker tattoo after getting an abortion so i and others can avoid said FEMALE

'I think Jews should wear stars'

yeah i dont like that idea bobby

XD

lol

what about chip in the brain that forces a woman to disclose the ammount of baby murders that she allowed

i dont think we should be calling abortion 'murders' either. the MRM doesnt take an anti-choice stance

this MRA does

until men have the CHOICE to back out of paying childsupport for a kid they didnt want

i will continue to have this ideolagy

women have more forms of birthcontrol than men will ever have so it should be their responsibility to prevent unwanted pregnancies

well, your views are your own, but the MRM does not have an anti choice stance. fair and just support child support and custody, however, for sure

right now the only way out guys have is killing themselves

thats not good

I am pro choice, I think the father's wishes should be given a bit more weight in the issue, it's not a simple argument and all sides carry good points

people will hunt you down even if you go to another country to hide from paying childsupport

if you went to space they would use Elon musk to hunt your escape pod down and bring you back

no, a lot of men manage to skip child support by moving country, the issue is that interest still builds up, so you still owe the money but they just can't force it from you if you are not there

thus making suicide the only option for us