Not to say we shouldn't discuss it more

I've debated the issue before

@Suzaku Kururugi Gender quotas are "affirmative action". They are supposed to be balancing out a gender bias in the first place. They may have even done so during the first year or two of being in place. They aren't really my idea of equality but because they are something that supposedly is an equality thing, arguing against them before they get super rediculous is difficult. And it is only relatively recently that affirmative action in colleges became affirmative action for the majority.

As much as I am an antifeminist, there are worse things feminism has put in place in the name of gender equality

Things that are less disputably for equality, like mother preference in custody battles or anything domestic violence related

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That said, we do discuss it a fair bit. I think characterizing it as "barely discussed" is unfair.

Nonetheless, I would say that university admission quotas is a rather minor issue indeed, and employment discrimination though serious is newer and I lack detailed statistics on it.

They're both one in the same. Both are used to keep men out of jobs and work, which they can otherwise get through merit

Not really

University attendance is something rediculous in Canada like 50%

gender quotas aren't really keeping men out of jobs up here

well, not on the university side

The employment discrimination is especially galling over here

Have you ever considered that the reason for that is that more men choose to work and women take 'time off'?

Yeah, that is an example of female privilege, not having to care as much about wealth to have a good life

But issues that are merely female privilege are right now kinda the lowest of the lesser issues

The point is that enough people get into university that it really doesn't impact lifetime employment opportunities that much

I imagine it prevents men (or boys) participating in the education they otherwise deserve to get gainful employment *in the fields they deserve*

It doesn't though. If you get a 1.8 gpa you're not getting employment from your degree

Gpa means nothing to me, I'm British

Oh. If you pass university with something like 60%, no company is going to hire you based on your degree

The british situation might be significant depending on how many go to university over there, but in Canada (esp.), and also the US, getting into the university system is far easier than it is useful. So women being able to get in easier...meh

Important programs like prestigious medical stuff doesn't have affirmative action for women, because they tried it for a brief period and realized that they were causing an experienced doctor's shortage due to women not working as much as men

where did you get this information

I ask because I work in a medical field and this is still a major problem

Are you counting the overwhelming amount of scholorships which are woman only in your consideration of how much the education system is biased?

It's not easy if you can't afford it

Oh wow, that was actually a japanese source: “Women often quit their jobs due to marriage and childbirth after graduating from the university,” the source told the Yomiuri Shimbun. “There is a strong feeling within the university that male doctors support the medical services at its hospitals.”

“There was a silent understanding [to accept more male students] as one way to resolve the doctor shortage,” the source told the Yomiuri Shimbun, according to the Washington Post. The policy was a “necessary evil,” the source said.

Not at all what I remembered it as

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/japan-women-tokyo-medical-university-exam/

So I'm actually talking out of my ass on that one

That is no longer continuing

"Are you counting the overwhelming amount of scholorships which are woman only in your consideration of how much the education system is biased?" -- ABSOLUTELY NOT. That is a real issue

I was hoping you were right, but underqualified females in entry level medical positions is a very serious problem

that I deal with on a daily basis

But entry level medical positions means nurses right?

You're not talking doctors/surgeons?

in my particular job position it means Lab Assistants

Ah

they show up for work after receiving the position with almost no understanding of the rules and regulations of working in a Lab Environment and I have to spend months training them before I can even allow them to do their job