Message from @asparkofpyrokravte
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Why not focus on things like gender quotas and women getting preference when it comes to jobs and college admissions
Women with less qualifications get preference over more qualified men
This is barely discussed
Yet I hear about minor issues far more.
Is it fear of being politically incorrect?
Which minor issues to you refer to? I have argued against affirmative action before
The truth is that there are a lot of issues... A lot of people will probably have different reasons for thinking such and such a one is 'more important'
I don't see the need to rank them on a scale
I hear it discussed a lot.
Not to say we shouldn't discuss it more
I've debated the issue before
@Suzaku Kururugi Gender quotas are "affirmative action". They are supposed to be balancing out a gender bias in the first place. They may have even done so during the first year or two of being in place. They aren't really my idea of equality but because they are something that supposedly is an equality thing, arguing against them before they get super rediculous is difficult. And it is only relatively recently that affirmative action in colleges became affirmative action for the majority.
As much as I am an antifeminist, there are worse things feminism has put in place in the name of gender equality
Things that are less disputably for equality, like mother preference in custody battles or anything domestic violence related
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That said, we do discuss it a fair bit. I think characterizing it as "barely discussed" is unfair.
Nonetheless, I would say that university admission quotas is a rather minor issue indeed, and employment discrimination though serious is newer and I lack detailed statistics on it.
They're both one in the same. Both are used to keep men out of jobs and work, which they can otherwise get through merit
Not really
University attendance is something rediculous in Canada like 50%
well, not on the university side
The employment discrimination is especially galling over here
Have you ever considered that the reason for that is that more men choose to work and women take 'time off'?
Yeah, that is an example of female privilege, not having to care as much about wealth to have a good life
But issues that are merely female privilege are right now kinda the lowest of the lesser issues
The point is that enough people get into university that it really doesn't impact lifetime employment opportunities that much
I imagine it prevents men (or boys) participating in the education they otherwise deserve to get gainful employment *in the fields they deserve*
It doesn't though. If you get a 1.8 gpa you're not getting employment from your degree
Gpa means nothing to me, I'm British
Oh. If you pass university with something like 60%, no company is going to hire you based on your degree
The british situation might be significant depending on how many go to university over there, but in Canada (esp.), and also the US, getting into the university system is far easier than it is useful. So women being able to get in easier...meh
Important programs like prestigious medical stuff doesn't have affirmative action for women, because they tried it for a brief period and realized that they were causing an experienced doctor's shortage due to women not working as much as men
where did you get this information
I ask because I work in a medical field and this is still a major problem
Are you counting the overwhelming amount of scholorships which are woman only in your consideration of how much the education system is biased?
It's not easy if you can't afford it
Oh wow, that was actually a japanese source: “Women often quit their jobs due to marriage and childbirth after graduating from the university,” the source told the Yomiuri Shimbun. “There is a strong feeling within the university that male doctors support the medical services at its hospitals.”
“There was a silent understanding [to accept more male students] as one way to resolve the doctor shortage,” the source told the Yomiuri Shimbun, according to the Washington Post. The policy was a “necessary evil,” the source said.
Not at all what I remembered it as
So I'm actually talking out of my ass on that one