It's not so much the whining I'm worried about, but their ability to present that as fact and use it to undermine our movement

Possible. But if we are successful in obtaining legal victories, that’s more important

True, but I don't think we should underestimate propaganda victories on their part. One issue I see is that a lot of our current and past victories aren't linked to us. For example - I think we need to claim things like the gay rights movement and all those legal victories specifically as being Men's Rights. I've seen feminists try to claim similar things - when in actuallity they opposed them at the time.

Nothing like some good ol' victim blaming to start the morning off right

Apparently it's mens' fault that no one pays attention when they're sexually assaulted

Men's rights is through, pack it up guys and girls, we can all go home now

Yeah.

They like to say that Toxic Masculinity is caused by hatred of women.

And all male issues, including suicide, are based on Toxic M

Maybe tell them that you have never, ever, ever, seen a feminist as a sex object. XD

Toxic masculinity is just the boogeyman for people who hate men

It wouldn't be too difficult to create a counterpart to women

It would. I think the idea is really kinda awful either way though,. I think we should talk about toxic behavior in general, not try to blame a gender.

http://archive.is/6zWhN

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/aljhjv/fleeing_family_violence_to_another_country_and

Sympathy for child abductors... Sigh. Makes you sad doesn't it

Apparently the law should be changed so that women can take kids out of the country away from their fathers on a whim

Yep, all they need to do is make an allegation

What?????? You don't #believewomen?

#misogyny

i think 2019 is off to a good start for the MRM. it really feels like society is beginning to to "turn a corner" in terms of awareness/attitude. not that we're there yet, but the flow is starting to shift

Agreed

Ain't that the truth

Nobody gives a shit if we live or 🎲

Just asked a girl about her thoughts on feminism and she “didn’t know what that word meant”

That's probably a good thing

It is surprised though. What country are you in?

maybe she meant it as "its so confusing to know what it actually is these days because so many different people say different things"

considering basically every feminist I've met doesn't use the dictionary definition of the word I'd say she has a point

That's the problem with using a dictionary to define an evolving ideology... It just can't and won't define them, not for long, and will absolutely be used to misrepresent a group

I feel like the dictionary definition of feminism is still accurate

It's also only an interpretation of that ideology. There are many others

I don't.

Feminism has never been for equality, only benefits for women, right from the start

that is the dictionary definition of feminism... a women's rights movement

they haven't changed the dictionary definition have they?

its right in the word.... FEM

wow you're right... dictionaries aren't all giving the same definition... this is madness

I will never accept 'feminism' as a 'equality for everyone' word

dictionary.com (which is the source I use) doesn't list the 'all sexes' definition, but Merriam-Webster has "the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes" as the number one definition above "organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests"