That's true. The problem is they are saying: "when men do want equal joint custody, they file and get it."

Which does not seem to be the experience of men, but it is what their citations say.

Well that's not true 5/6 cases are won by women

Gimme a min on that

If you can cite that, it would be awesome

<@&524226120661336076> any ideas? If not we may need to go with the studies - as much as they jar suspiciously with other statistics and lived experences.

I recognize those twitter names, they’re a little cabal. They never debate in good faith

They will lie and cherry pick data/studies, distort words, etc

Hmm. Really?

Want to get involved?

It'd be good if you did

Yes, they all comment and join in on each other’s stuff

I thought that might be the case. We need our on cabal - and we need to be better at it than them

Exactly

And regarding stats, its one of those things that’s inherently and sensible obvious that men face a bias

But we need solid stats to present

I’ll do some looking

Thanks a lot. If you could wade in and tackle the divorce stuff that would be a major help

I'm sure I've seen a post on men's rights addressing those claims before, saying they are BS, because it's not the first time I've heard them, even though they are commonly spouted on 2x, feminism and the like

If you could find them that would be good! I have to go to bed now

It does jar with literally every other stat. I'm suspicious of the idea men don't fight for custody

If @InsaneCaterpilla or anyone else wants to tackle them, please go right ahead - I'm off to bed

I'll see what I can find later today

Oof, it looks like I missed CoP :<

Hell I missed him, and I AM him! Work was nuts!

I work at a hospital, Labor and Delivery. My department is Registration but I do so much more than that.

Aside from mommas and babies, I handle patient status types throughout the hospital, insurance claims and follow ups, and handle several different calls, to begin to explain what I do. I like it.

12hr shifts Thurs through Sat, and a mini shift on Wednesday. Rest of the week is open.

4 day week, sounds nice ^^

Ok, so, ive looked around Reddit and I can't find the rebuttal I thought I'd seen. I've also had a look for a decent one that debunks that stat through google but find it difficult to locate the source of the stat. This might be because it doesn't exist. Genkernels links to stats in <#523922218200203265> are solid, however, in that they show fathers getting custody (even joint) less often than women even in contested cases. However to fully debunk the claim it requires an analysis of the source... Twitter probably isn't the best place to get that, and I doubt people there are gonna pay attention if you ask for it tbh

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4jd3xb/is_there_really_a_court_bias_against_men_in/

Was that thread you were looking for that one?

You know, it might be. Great job finding that

Looks like the citations are dead

Or some of them

The sources for the claim in the Reddit thread still work for me

Incl the study which supposedly gives the figure I was thinking of (it's close if not exact to the figure your person gave)

Haven't had chance to read through it yet though

http://amptoons.com/blog/files/Massachusetts_Gender_Bias_Study.htm

After checking, Celda's comment is a good debunk there, the study really does site things back from the 70's and this study itself is from 1990

Hardly relevant to prevalent statistics these days