Yeah

The only nationalism that isn't actual nationalism is civic nationalism

imo

yeet

Civic Nationalism is just an idiot's reinterpretation of Cultural Nationalism.

I mean at least Cultural Nationalists try to properly integrate people.
Civic "Nationalists" are pretty much the standard Liberal talk of "Follow the laws of the land and you'll be fine"

or don't if its in conflict with your culture

@Deleted User I think that's more a libertarian stance liberals are like "it's part of their culture to rape"

I see you are back arround these parts again.

Civic nationalists don't exist

Let me rephrase that, the concept of Civic nationalism is inconsistent, it never happened, and the people who call themselves either don't understand the concept of nation hood or are just looking to endorse their own weird "nativism".

As in anti immigration non nationalists

@Orwell I think the parents sold her off to a sex trafficking ring that is connected to major political and financial figures

nationalism of any kind is silly

internationalism is where the good shit is at

America doesn't really have a specific culture so what do you call American nationalists that aren't ethnic?

It's like people saying left libertarian doesn't exist it definitely does. Just because you disagree don't mean it isn't real.

America does have this basic strain of cultural unity that flows through its many disparate states, something that I dub as "the federal culture" - it is probably overwhelmed by and outdone by the local, organic cultures of each and every state in terms of scope and volume, but it *does* exist and is the thing that holds the union together as a coherent entity

Here's a take from Stalin on how nations would wither away and merge over long timespan under socialism (from *The National Question and Leninism,* 1929)

Though I'm not the biggest fan of Stalin, I think his view here holds merit.

Culture is a very broad term to the extent that it quite often stops possesing a meaning. Exp in discussions about idenitity. Notabene Stalin words hold little predictive validity. It is like trying to reason how many angles would fit on the tip of a pin.

I like what he's saying, but a lot of his actions were aimed on the exact opposite (the relocation of Crimean Tatars, for instance). Really a shame how he had the right ideas but just didn't bother to follow them.

a lot of historic leaders has good ideas just never made into fruition do to instabilty

One could say instability and desire of political gains.

Stalin inhirited a shattered country and on verge of anotherinternal strife

Question: Who was better at the intelligence war game K.G.B or the C.I.A

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K.G.B. was more powerful, but C.I.A. was more inscidious, at least from a layman perspective.

I think the K.G.B had assets that were never caought or were caught just Washington refused to believe to tis extension

I also think the K.G.B is still alive and well and operating within secret

Isn't a long stretch, just renamed itself.

A defector in the 60s claims the K.G.B was organized the downfall of the Soviet Union in order to weaken the Western capialist countries

Up for PM Kazmir

Sure, but I'm not extremely knowledgeable on this subject.

Also I don't want to get jailed by the KGB 😉

I disagree that America has a federal idenity as Americans are the only people to retain their previous identity.

The concept of a 3rd or 4th generation immigrant still calling themselves Armenian for example proves that there is no American cultural idenity this is why with America there only exist Civic nationalism not cultural.

Also trying to tie American idenity to Stalin and communism some how is a insanely pseudo intellectual claim there is no parallel and nothing he mentioned remotely referred to Americans. Stop pretending to be smart by citing Stalin.

*next*

Americans are a culturally stunted country with no hope of a Cultural Nationalist future.

They either go the Civic "Nationalism" route or aim at the bastardization of the more extreme versions of nationalism, e.g. ethnonationalism.

Then again, imo America has no future in the long run, period. No amount of ethnostates are going to fix that.