One of the most famous members of the tribe

u said religion without science twice

there

lol

nope

@Deleted User I don’t think thats an actual quote, especially since the meaning of lame has changed since then.

Might be a translation or something, idk

From german

Idk

I just found it intersting

and its similar to the other quote

To bad mine is real 🤷

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/einstein-philscience/#ConAlbEinPhiPhy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein

I feel like if you serve a set number of years with the US Military you should be given citizenship

Like

People want citizenship right? Make the required amount like 4-5 years. Military becomes bigger and stronger, people have to get vetted, people serve with our military

Plus people couldn’t keep whining “US CiTiZeNsHip toO hArD”

You wouldn’t be able to take in every person that signs up for it of course, equipping them would for far too expensive

Im skeptical about giving migrants the ability to go into positions of power in the military

I’m just thinking of basic frameworks

Not giving Juan the Drug Dealer the ability to enlist and become a general or something

@Orwell why wouldn't you be? They literally have no loyalty to the nation. Imagine if someone wanted to bribe them to be a spy, or they were fighting some enemy they were ethnically related to, or another migrant who was their superior decided to stage a coup. What would keep them from betraying the nation? Patriotism? Maybe, but I would never trust in that.

well im against immigration either way

but if we were pushing it maybe we could just toss them into labor camps instead

use them as fuel for warp drives

i dont think theyd survive to get their citizenship

~~that’s the point genius~~

@Flat i think as you've put out enlisting in a pretty general role would be a valid route to citizenship and the us programs emulating your frame are pretty successful. In that role campodin's objection doesnt seem to bear much weight as they're effectively just grunts, not privvy to much thats useful and pretty replaceable. if they show leadership potential and get their citizenship maybe then think about commissioning them

Basically, yeah.

apologies for the word salad there btw

In the end it boils down to merceneries being paid with citizenship for military services. There is no real reason why those people would abandon their former loyalities / identify with the host population / not fractionize from the society after millitary service. That plus the mechnizm creates a gender disbalance and that alone would cause conflict later on.

Given the payment of citizenship is only meaningful if they actually want to integrate into the host society it seems irrational that those who don’t seek to do so would make use of such an offer. Nor need military service be restricted to men.

The former is largely self selecting and self discriminating as candidates might easily be expected to serve or train under conditions that would simply not be worth the pay packet alone. Certainly there’s parallels here with the French foreign legion, marines, special forces and arguably most military employment

As for the latter quotas could be implemented if it’s a concern

Grammar just all over the place today

Well.. depending on the country of origin obtaining a paper that allows you to legally work in the host country and/or use its social services could already be a form of payment.

I would argue that the bigger material disproportion between the country of origin and the host country the bigger the incentive.

Right but if your willing to go through the grinder for 6 years in order to do so it’s difficult to argue they don’t identify strongly with the opportunity that nation offers

Very few would accuse the legion of being disloyal to France or the Gurkhas un-British for example

Neither have a reputation for poor integration upon ceasing their period of service and accepting citizenship of their respective country, despite Nepal being much poorer than the uk