I’m not saying that without God people will automatically do degenerate immoral stuff. Even without God, people still have a moral compass. But you cannot derive a coherent moral *system* from an atheistic worldview

"You don't get your morality from the bible, but let me tell you how you get your morality from the bible" is usually how the conversation ends

it's a compete cop out

> But you cannot derive a coherent moral system from an atheistic worldview

of course you can

Yes you can

How?

There are no coherent moral systems

They are all adhoc and serve a general purpose of maintaining a society

But they do not need to be consistent at all

morality exists pertaining to the relations between two or more people - or, in an expanded sense, it exists pertaining to the relations between two or more *sentient beings.*

as long as you have two or more sentient beings, moral frameworks for the organisations of their relationship can be - and always have been -devised

no god needed

First of all, what is, to you, a coherent moral compass?

But why should people obey those systems?

He's actually right

Because they’ll get punished if they don’t

People think survival of the fittest is a solo game

it's not

While these relations exist, if there is no higher motive there is no motive to follow them

Just how if you don’t listen to god you’ll burn in hell

it involves teamwork by its very nature

Well, God is inherently good, so anything that conforms with the will of God is inherently good

Because it's mutually beneficial @FreshWholeMilk

What if I disobey god’s will? @FreshWholeMilk

Because of the shared factor of sentience - we are of the same cloth, of the same essence, as it pertains to mental activity. Severe hurt is something you and me both experience; and it is painful. It is, therefore, an affront to conscious existence no matter what observer you would focus on. Its a universal experiential evil.

No god needed.

What if there’s a situation where raping children and cannibalism is beneficial to you?

God told me to build his third temple and kill cia nayggers, is this good? @FreshWholeMilk

Everyone would do it

Africa

@FreshWholeMilk When is raping children beneficial to you?

I mean

they do that in Africa...

because they think

And people who do rape children do it because they see it as beneficial

it cures aids

for real

it's inherently negative

Whether to cure aids or for their uncontrollable desire

they also think theyre getting some sort of spiritual power by devouring children

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It certainly makes pedos happier to rape kids, why is that bad from their point of view? Under your system

Everyone knows the best spiritual power comes from eating the flesh and blood of a man who died 2000 years ago