Message from @FreshWholeMilk
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~~israel~~
(((The Bible)))
Eating dogs isn't really that weird, but I still think it's disgusting
Dogs are our eternal allies, but they're still not us, don't get civnatic.
human morality ultimately stems from our material reality and conditions - that includes stage of development, degree of scarcity and, yes, genes as well
the genome of man is probably unified in form enough for it to produce roughly similar ethical societies with slight variations here and there
so we can't say that we get our morality from the bible
we don't
its more the case that bible gets its morality from the material basis of man and his environment
I’m not saying that without God people will automatically do degenerate immoral stuff. Even without God, people still have a moral compass. But you cannot derive a coherent moral *system* from an atheistic worldview
"You don't get your morality from the bible, but let me tell you how you get your morality from the bible" is usually how the conversation ends
it's a compete cop out
> But you cannot derive a coherent moral system from an atheistic worldview
of course you can
Yes you can
How?
There are no coherent moral systems
They are all adhoc and serve a general purpose of maintaining a society
But they do not need to be consistent at all
morality exists pertaining to the relations between two or more people - or, in an expanded sense, it exists pertaining to the relations between two or more *sentient beings.*
as long as you have two or more sentient beings, moral frameworks for the organisations of their relationship can be - and always have been -devised
no god needed
First of all, what is, to you, a coherent moral compass?
He's actually right
Because they’ll get punished if they don’t
People think survival of the fittest is a solo game
it's not
While these relations exist, if there is no higher motive there is no motive to follow them
Just how if you don’t listen to god you’ll burn in hell
it involves teamwork by its very nature
Well, God is inherently good, so anything that conforms with the will of God is inherently good
Because it's mutually beneficial @FreshWholeMilk
What if I disobey god’s will? @FreshWholeMilk
Because of the shared factor of sentience - we are of the same cloth, of the same essence, as it pertains to mental activity. Severe hurt is something you and me both experience; and it is painful. It is, therefore, an affront to conscious existence no matter what observer you would focus on. Its a universal experiential evil.
No god needed.
What if there’s a situation where raping children and cannibalism is beneficial to you?
God told me to build his third temple and kill cia nayggers, is this good? @FreshWholeMilk
Everyone would do it
Africa
@FreshWholeMilk When is raping children beneficial to you?
I mean
they do that in Africa...
because they think
And people who do rape children do it because they see it as beneficial