Message from @HeavenIy_Father

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2018-12-13 04:44:15 UTC  

While huge territory

2018-12-13 04:44:19 UTC  

Your vote has no impact because you live in a bourgois democracy

2018-12-13 04:44:22 UTC  

Hey captains

2018-12-13 04:44:23 UTC  

it is undermined at every turn

2018-12-13 04:44:26 UTC  

being relatively poor isn't always a negative

2018-12-13 04:44:34 UTC  

the only way to achieve true power or meaning for your vote is socialism

2018-12-13 04:44:38 UTC  

having more material wealth isn't always positive

2018-12-13 04:44:39 UTC  

Socialism has bourgeois too

2018-12-13 04:44:43 UTC  

The socialist party

2018-12-13 04:44:49 UTC  

That rules the state

2018-12-13 04:44:51 UTC  

No, my vote has no impact because I'm one person and there are tens of thousands of voters

2018-12-13 04:44:58 UTC  

which, of course, expands democracy and the power of the electorate into a system that runs through society in a multi-tiered fashion

2018-12-13 04:45:04 UTC  

One voter is worthless

2018-12-13 04:45:20 UTC  

Democracy empowers the masses against individuals

2018-12-13 04:45:20 UTC  

one voter in a worker-cooperative is a crucial element, or, indeed, in the commune

2018-12-13 04:46:15 UTC  

The masses want liberalism, feminism, and demographic replacement so the rest of us must live with it.

2018-12-13 04:46:20 UTC  

And fascism empowers the state against the masses, capitalism empowers the capitalist against the workers, etc. Its not like the other alternatives are that much better. True liberty and sovereignty can only be realised in the working masses which exercise their sovereign power via the workers' councils.

2018-12-13 04:46:29 UTC  

@Xinyue is there a Nation in your system?

2018-12-13 04:46:58 UTC  

Democracy is just a tool for enacting policy. Nothing more

2018-12-13 04:47:04 UTC  

Nations do exist, yes, but they are realised as autonomous republics within a greater international federation. They could have their own laws, national guards, parliaments, etc. As we see with many federations today @AdorableStormtrooper

2018-12-13 04:47:19 UTC  

Don't fuck with me

2018-12-13 04:47:25 UTC  

I've got the power of God AND anime on my side

2018-12-13 04:48:13 UTC  

You've lost sight of what matters. What matters is not feeling like you have a voice or that you're equal or that everyone is a team. What matters is the survival and prosperity of you and your kind.

2018-12-13 04:48:14 UTC  

@Xinyue So there are National Elections not just Coop elections then... Snakes point holds then on Democracy

2018-12-13 04:48:41 UTC  

If democracy results in worse policies, it's bad.

2018-12-13 04:49:05 UTC  

Democratic power in and of itself is not valuble

2018-12-13 04:49:07 UTC  

yes, the results actually do matter, not just the philosophy sounding good in the abstract

2018-12-13 04:49:15 UTC  

Yes, there would be national elections, elections in coops, elections in coop federations, etc. All voluntary of course. It would be a multi-tiered democratic system, and one could choose work at a level that they think is most meaningful for them. I think coop elections would become most popular personally.

2018-12-13 04:49:42 UTC  

Voluntary? Give me a break. None of this is voluntary

2018-12-13 04:49:53 UTC  

Voting would be voluntary

2018-12-13 04:49:58 UTC  

You're not allowed to own private property

2018-12-13 04:50:00 UTC  

not sure why you posit this is not so

2018-12-13 04:50:18 UTC  

Yes, you wouldn't be allowed to own private property. But this has no bearing on voting

2018-12-13 04:50:19 UTC  

is syndicalism a heresy to you

2018-12-13 04:50:20 UTC  

odd point

2018-12-13 04:50:33 UTC  

I cant sell another guy who wants something and is willing to pay me what he wants

2018-12-13 04:50:50 UTC  

And there would be social property so its not like property ceases to exist

2018-12-13 04:50:50 UTC  

WHAT IF compulsory voting was put into place

2018-12-13 04:51:00 UTC  

what is thats gay

2018-12-13 04:51:01 UTC  

Boom

2018-12-13 04:51:03 UTC  

compulsory voting is gay