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Storm, that has been quite important in the history of Marxian philosophy. The aspect of alienation. If you like, I can forward to you some of Marx's works on the subject later, or indeed those of Soviet and Yugoslav philosophers. They can explain it better than I ever could
a complete dumb fuck who votes on which party has a more beautiful symbol or which leader is hotter has the same say on things, as you and me
I don't want a vote, nor do I want to feel like the people decided on the dumbass policies I am forced to live under. I want GOOD policies. I don't care how they come to pass.
USSR was poor always
While huge territory
Your vote has no impact because you live in a bourgois democracy
Hey captains
it is undermined at every turn
being relatively poor isn't always a negative
the only way to achieve true power or meaning for your vote is socialism
having more material wealth isn't always positive
Socialism has bourgeois too
The socialist party
That rules the state
No, my vote has no impact because I'm one person and there are tens of thousands of voters
which, of course, expands democracy and the power of the electorate into a system that runs through society in a multi-tiered fashion
One voter is worthless
Democracy empowers the masses against individuals
one voter in a worker-cooperative is a crucial element, or, indeed, in the commune
The masses want liberalism, feminism, and demographic replacement so the rest of us must live with it.
And fascism empowers the state against the masses, capitalism empowers the capitalist against the workers, etc. Its not like the other alternatives are that much better. True liberty and sovereignty can only be realised in the working masses which exercise their sovereign power via the workers' councils.
@Xinyue is there a Nation in your system?
Democracy is just a tool for enacting policy. Nothing more
Nations do exist, yes, but they are realised as autonomous republics within a greater international federation. They could have their own laws, national guards, parliaments, etc. As we see with many federations today @AdorableStormtrooper
Don't fuck with me
I've got the power of God AND anime on my side
You've lost sight of what matters. What matters is not feeling like you have a voice or that you're equal or that everyone is a team. What matters is the survival and prosperity of you and your kind.
@Xinyue So there are National Elections not just Coop elections then... Snakes point holds then on Democracy
If democracy results in worse policies, it's bad.
Democratic power in and of itself is not valuble
yes, the results actually do matter, not just the philosophy sounding good in the abstract
Yes, there would be national elections, elections in coops, elections in coop federations, etc. All voluntary of course. It would be a multi-tiered democratic system, and one could choose work at a level that they think is most meaningful for them. I think coop elections would become most popular personally.
Voluntary? Give me a break. None of this is voluntary
Voting would be voluntary
You're not allowed to own private property
not sure why you posit this is not so
Yes, you wouldn't be allowed to own private property. But this has no bearing on voting
is syndicalism a heresy to you
odd point
I cant sell another guy who wants something and is willing to pay me what he wants