It's completely healthy and good to have this impulse

Because there are things far more important than some increase in abstract money-value. Such as the shared popular control over the direction of society, that my labor is meaningful and that I'm not alienated from its product, or, indeed, from my coworkers and the object of my labour. Socialism, in the end, is all about *control,* shared control over the productive forces. It isn't about profits, never was and I hope to god never will be though Cortez and Sanders do their best to dilute the meaning of socialism.

"the shared popular control over the direction of society"?

the goal is eliminating competition and promoting mediocrity from what i read

I have no interest in that whatsoever

@Deleted User Yes. We determine what we used our powerful technology for, how and on what grounds. You may have no interest in that whatsoever, but those who are powerful do and will make the decision for you if you don't. Just look at AI development and the kind of elite classes involved in that particular exercise. If you aren't terrified, you aren't paying attention.

I know my labor is meaningful because people pay me for it and I can use the money to buy things and invest in my family's future

AI is a complete non sequitur

The old society and its various rationales for life is dying. And it will die whether or not we like it, and what is left to do is to determine what will arise from the ashes

Not socialism

Fate willing, socialism and communism indeed

those are actually very interesting points about about labor feeling meaningful, not being divorced from the product and co workers

Right now I have a vote in the direction of my society, one of tens of thousands of voters. My vote has almost no impact on anything at all

if you could explain them further m8 @Xinyue

Storm, that has been quite important in the history of Marxian philosophy. The aspect of alienation. If you like, I can forward to you some of Marx's works on the subject later, or indeed those of Soviet and Yugoslav philosophers. They can explain it better than I ever could

a complete dumb fuck who votes on which party has a more beautiful symbol or which leader is hotter has the same say on things, as you and me

I don't want a vote, nor do I want to feel like the people decided on the dumbass policies I am forced to live under. I want GOOD policies. I don't care how they come to pass.

USSR was poor always

While huge territory

Your vote has no impact because you live in a bourgois democracy

Hey captains

it is undermined at every turn

being relatively poor isn't always a negative

the only way to achieve true power or meaning for your vote is socialism

having more material wealth isn't always positive

Socialism has bourgeois too

The socialist party

That rules the state

No, my vote has no impact because I'm one person and there are tens of thousands of voters

which, of course, expands democracy and the power of the electorate into a system that runs through society in a multi-tiered fashion

One voter is worthless

Democracy empowers the masses against individuals

one voter in a worker-cooperative is a crucial element, or, indeed, in the commune

The masses want liberalism, feminism, and demographic replacement so the rest of us must live with it.

And fascism empowers the state against the masses, capitalism empowers the capitalist against the workers, etc. Its not like the other alternatives are that much better. True liberty and sovereignty can only be realised in the working masses which exercise their sovereign power via the workers' councils.

@Xinyue is there a Nation in your system?

Democracy is just a tool for enacting policy. Nothing more

Nations do exist, yes, but they are realised as autonomous republics within a greater international federation. They could have their own laws, national guards, parliaments, etc. As we see with many federations today @AdorableStormtrooper

Don't fuck with me

I've got the power of God AND anime on my side