Message from @Notso
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Ebin
What’s he doing, crucifying the allied scum?
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What is this WW1?
The helmets make it seem that way
WW3
@Notso are you an absolute monarchist
Yes ww1
And no
I believe in inalienable rights of the people
So constitutional monarchist? What are those rights? @Notso
Fair trial by jury, no unwarranted search, freedom of movement, no torture, free exercise of religion in the home (though not necessarily in public)
Freedom of movement? 🤔
Is this a no borders thing
No
It'd be hard to ban a religion so sure that's reasonable
The government cannot without due process keep you to a portion of its country
No unwarranted house arrest or imprisonment
No torture is a tricky one. What if the person is guilty of a crime, like an act of terrorism, he's tried and found guilty, etc.
Id also argue life imprisonment is illegal as torture, execution would be ordered in that case
As well as solitary confinement beyond immediate guarantee of safety to others
I'm not sure how effective torture is at actually getting people to reveal information, but let's assume it is effective. Our terrorist here most likely had some friends who supplied him with his guns/bombs and were working together. We only caught him. We want names.
If he is given a trial in accordance with the law and found guilty of bombing a shopping center, killing 20 people, and we want the names of his accomplices, I think torture should be considered
Torture hasn't been shown to be very effective from my understanding
They'll often end up with false confessions
Right, that's what I was wondering
From exhaustion
Telling you what you want to hear
Because they want it to stop
Regardless of whether it's true
Sure. I haven't done enough research, I mean there are expert interrogation people out there who know the ropes
They'd know how often they get confessions and how often they're true
I think it probably depends on the method
"You tell us or we'll make you watch the Death Note Live Action movie"
Physical torture I don't think is very effective from what I remember reading
But I haven't done extensive research on it
"After that, it's a marathon of Steven Universe"
There was a case of a terrorist making up a story about an entire compund where they were training recruits to get the interrogators to stop the torture
Another tricky part is that logically if I was being tortured, I would think that as soon as they verify that I told then the truth, they'd have no need for me anymore and would kill me