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2018-12-16 15:55:43 UTC  

"muh incentives"

2018-12-16 15:55:53 UTC  

You define words in ways that benefit your ideology.. which is great i guess..

2018-12-16 15:55:57 UTC  

selfishness for the material

2018-12-16 15:55:58 UTC  

uh, no

2018-12-16 15:56:07 UTC  

materialism is actually something that has existed for hundreds of years

2018-12-16 15:56:11 UTC  

its not materialist but it is very hedonistic and bland

2018-12-16 15:56:15 UTC  

its a school of thought in philosophy

2018-12-16 15:56:26 UTC  

the maximum profits and pleasures for porky plz

2018-12-16 15:56:43 UTC  

currency=potential things

2018-12-16 15:56:46 UTC  

and itself it makes no claim on hedonism being good or something, its just a statement on what existences are primary and what are emergent, etc.

2018-12-16 15:57:21 UTC  

im saying capitalism is very hedonistic incase you were wondering not materialism

2018-12-16 15:57:26 UTC  

in fact Marxists were often anti-hedonists, and urged the importance of socialist and communist virtue, and made *materialist arguments for this*

2018-12-16 15:57:27 UTC  

ffs

2018-12-16 15:57:32 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/507035890640486411/523891438510014475/unknown.png

2018-12-16 15:57:41 UTC  

Evola was a tool

2018-12-16 15:58:05 UTC  

here's the thing with xinu, "look at the plans, the literature, the theory, stop looking at the Result IRL, that's not real/proper/enough of [insert ideology]

2018-12-16 15:58:10 UTC  

@Xinyue i was commenting on capitalism not marxism, marxism is typically against hedonism but then again intersectionality and leftist idpol exists

2018-12-16 15:58:16 UTC  

I'm not hearing a rebutal

2018-12-16 15:58:22 UTC  

can't wait for that epic queer anarchist revolution

2018-12-16 15:58:39 UTC  

@Xinyue <:brainlet:508484031625691156>

2018-12-16 15:58:47 UTC  

capitalism is materialistic

2018-12-16 15:58:53 UTC  

^

2018-12-16 15:59:05 UTC  

as an Ideological Goal it is

2018-12-16 15:59:15 UTC  

that Evola quote for example absolutely disregards that Marxism is *not* merely about just "muh distribution, muh goods", there's a content of meaning to it and reasoning for what is essential to human beings, why we exist and what we ought to strive towards

2018-12-16 15:59:25 UTC  

but trust people who never read Marx and Engels to be oblivious to this

2018-12-16 15:59:43 UTC  

lmao

2018-12-16 15:59:44 UTC  

but it sprouted due to inequality of the material wealth

2018-12-16 15:59:45 UTC  

it's an ideology

2018-12-16 15:59:47 UTC  

we get it

2018-12-16 15:59:58 UTC  

the entirety of marxist philosophy is based on economics

2018-12-16 16:00:07 UTC  

it's a lifestyle

2018-12-16 16:00:07 UTC  

and economic relationships

2018-12-16 16:00:13 UTC  

like Libertarianism

2018-12-16 16:00:32 UTC  

"y-you've just never read kapital!"

2018-12-16 16:01:09 UTC  

Yes, the philosophy posits that men are shaped by their environment, which is readily observable, and will therefore react to the environment - specifically the relationship between men's objective needs and objects of those needs. But this is merely one part of Marxism, the explanation for why the world is as it is, why history develops as it does, and what can be expected from the future. The entire discourse on labour and its significance to man is outside this analysis.

2018-12-16 16:01:48 UTC  

You're ignoring the other half of the Equation with the statement about Environment and People

2018-12-16 16:01:57 UTC  

go on?

2018-12-16 16:02:50 UTC  

most of us ignore the soul of the person as well

2018-12-16 16:02:54 UTC  

People are not a blank slate, different groups of people will react to different environments in different ways such that they're predictible

2018-12-16 16:03:10 UTC  

@Bird Wizard marxists think feels don't reals