But we do know that there was only one holodomor; there was no successor

I'm going to lay it out step by step again ffs

and from this, things can be inferred

ok go on

oh yes, there were never any food shortages in Soviet Union after Famines

It can be inferred that it was a once-at-a-time incident, in the early phase of the country's development, when it was underdeveloped and that it was never repeated that it was not intentional

It was the direct result of Soviet Policy.

not intentional though, most likely not

hence not murdering of millions

If you kill millions of people through written policy that transports all their food to the cities and many of them to Gulags, it isn't murder?

those 600K-700K people who were shot *were* intentional killings, so I suggest that the indictments on Soviet government focus on these tragedies

not the famines that seem to be due to other reasons than intent

golden blockade: ussr has to pay for industrialization in grain and western nations no longer accept gold as payment
USSR has to industrialize to make itself a player in the world stage since it is surrounded by nations that want it to collapse, so it's either death by war or fast industrialization
Without industrialized transportation and production systems, famine is more likely to occur
So the USSR paid for the industrialization in the only material the western nations would accept @Aki

"Only the people who die as a result of policy i don't like are legitimate murders."

you're stating the opposite tbh

"Deaths resulting from my favorite policies are just woopsies, ignore"

you're saying the soviets deserved terrorism because you disagree with them

Murder by definition implies intent

you do not have murder without intent

```murder
/ˈməːdə/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders

1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.```

Ok?

this was not premeditated

therefore,

not murder

and?

yes, its not intentional, and not murder. glad we agree

It was the Result of Soviet Collectivization is all I said

lol

Soviet State is responsible

it resulted from the decision to go forward with it, and was due to many factors that all joined up in the collectivisation era. but it was not intentional, its not like Soviet government *wanted* people to die, and once the thing was complete it never happened again. at most the famine can be called a tragic hickup

@Stern The farmers didn't deserve to be transported to Gulags run by a Foreign People and they didn't deserve to be starved while their produce was sent to the cities to Urbanization Projects, that's the Terrorism of the Soviet State

```Kulaks have no agency. Sabotage of crops and killing of livestock by the hundreds of thousands was done by NPCs who do not have moral agency by the virtue of not being sentient.```
- Storm, 2018

I said it was a Protest which was the result of Soviet Policy which anyway ended up killing millions while blaming small time farmers for it all

Collectivization resulted in the Famine, not Farmers Protesting.

if the farmers did not sabotage the crops, and did not kill literally hundreds of thousands of livestock, there's no telling how vastly lesser the famine could've been

this is unescapable

@Xinyue but nice memes bro

@AdorableStormtrooper no one deserves anything tbh

human rights are communist ideas

the Kulaks played a major part in this. Sure, the Soviet collectivisation set them in motion, yes, but the Soviets are not responsible to the frankly psychopathic actions of the kulaks in the era

@Xinyue if Soviets didn't plan Collectivization, which is an innans word for taking everything those Farmers had built.. there wouldn't be protests..