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> No, it has exploitation and capital

Socialism = worker ownership of the means of production

This is principle is still realised in MarSoc, so it is still socialism because the workers do manage their means of production. So you can't call it "un-socialistic", but you **can** and should argue that it is fundamentally non-viable

read it

tl;dr

It is socialism, but an inferior and unsustainable form

No, it is not socialism

TL;DR My communism is better than your communism

Therefore i would compare that to surplus extraction and the creation of profit. Simply putting a factory in the hands of the workers isn't enough to change its status as capital. If the factory is still run under the competitive dictates of the market, the law of value still impinges on the workers as an external force, alienating them, driving them to decrease socially necessary labor time and increase productivity. The capitalist is, as Marx said, simply capital personified. In a free market "socialist" society, the collective of workers is itself the "personification" of capital.

Socialism is inferior and unsustainable

Too bad that the word "socialism" was first invented and developed by people other than the guys you cite, so I'm afraid you can't own the label @Loser

Capitalism is inferior and unsustainable

RIGHT 👏 WING 👏 LIBERALISM

@Kazimir Malevich so conservatism

Lol

Then again ideological solipsism is in high demand these days - "only the guys I like matter"

@Kazimir Malevich ok Sargon

Soygon of Mossad

Stolypin was a Right-wing Liberal.

@Xinyue Lol i am no sectetarian, but instead of responding to my critique you call me sectetarian without debunking my points

i love market socialism

Don't you dare compare Sargon to the saint.

```Then again ideological solipsism is in high demand these days - "only the guys I like matter"```


you literally do that all the time 😂 @Xinyue

Except that I do not

I literally accept people I resent as socialists if they subscribe to the basic principle

do you not respond to my criticism? no let's call him a sectetarian

lol

your theory is bad

was Stolypin pro Abortion?

🤔

hehe

Abortion was a non-issue in Russia at that time. @AdorableStormtrooper

But he was a Christian so very unlikely.

commies legalized it

I got banned from a teen dating server for calling a black kid a monkey and telling him to get out of the country

Worker-cooperatives have workers own, operate and manage the means of labour; therefore, a market economy consolidated solely around worker-cooperatives is, in fact, a distributed socialist system realised in the worker-cooperative enterprise.

It is an inferior form of socialism, but since the means of labour are in fact owned and managed by their workers as equals, it *is* socialism.

**The only way to deny this is to define socialism as something OTHER than worker ownership of the means of labour**

ok.

if Stolypin wouldn't purge the Hook Noses like Stalin, he ain't no good

Georgians are epic people.

no

Georgia is Russia